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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    That's not a personal attack. Try and cry some more.
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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Sox04 View Post
    This is a great day for the United States
    Are you sure it's a great day for USA? Business Insider says the supreme court shocked the country.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    I was thinking more about Iran, to be honest with you.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Roberts was the one who did. 5-4 decision.

    John goddamn Roberts.
    i do think we now know how Roberts is going to vote in november
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    To those against this law - They've ruled it constitutional only because they reasonably consider it a 'tax'

    definition of tax: a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.

    I agree that the penalty is a tax. A tax does not (obviously) have to affect all people equally.

    Don't blame SCOTUS - the conservative justices who may disagree with the fairness of the law itself did a very honorable thing by doing exactly what their job says they should do - uphold the constitution.

    instead, be angry at the people for electing representatives who believe that THIS is how we want the constitution to be used. Or to a further point: that this (congress has the ability to tax) is what we want our constitution to say.

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    I guess I can live with it. My plan is to buy health insurance based on these two conditions:

    1) If I am not sick/injured then pay the ($400?) IRS fine. That is only $34/month or a bit over $1/day.

    2) If I am sick/injured then buy insurance, paying premiums ONLY while getting treatment and then cancel the policy ASAP.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Do you understand the difference between a positive and negative? Not losing an obligation you ALREADY HAVE is completely different than a new obligation.
    No, it's the same thing. If you don't own a home, for example, then you are paying for the mortgage interest deduction that homeowners get, because if they weren't getting that deduction your taxes would be lower (or you would get more services). So the mortgage interest deduction is a MANDATE to buy a house in exactly the same way that this is a mandate to buy insurance.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    While everyone is beginning their victory dance, you DO realize that even if you are young, relatively healthy, and dont WANT to buy insurance (or are not in a secure place financially) that now you MUST and if you dont they can penalize you...right?

    Ive said all along...This isnt a bad idea...where/when implemented by the STATES. At the fed level? We have no idea how bad it is going to be financially. SO...again...

    pop the cork baby.
    My appendix ruptured at the age of 19. All the bills added up to 20,000 dollars. Insurance doesn't seem so expensive and unnecessary after that.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You think they only poll people who don't pay taxes?
    No, but I do believe that they markedly poll more people who have a Leftist lean in this state (which isn't hard since I can count the actual CONSERVATIVES in this state on one hand).

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    But you're right -- they don't pay the fine because they're buying insurance and thus not costing tax payers money to pay for their health care. That's how its supposed to work.
    Yep. They're paying roughly $2000 and getting less coverage than they would be required to get if they were paying the $900 fine. That's pretty damn stupid if you ask me. I know more than a few people who are on MassHealth and a couple of these other plans. The ones that are anywhere close to the $900 fine level cover almost NOTHING. To get any amount of insurance these people are paying several times that, and still getting below average coverage.

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