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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As I understand it it's like the private system: better in some places than others.

    Hey, I giving you what those that I know, sorta the Horses Mouth, have said.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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    The JD legal eagles argued that point before the Supremes. Of did you think the Supremes made that up out of whole cloth?
    I said, a smart lawyer covered his bases. Am I incorrect on that?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Right, as a tax. You should note that he was well aware it was a tax while he was saying it was not a tax.
    It was upheld as a tax penalty. What did Democrats say it was? A: a tax penalty.

    Much as cons want to hang their hats on semantics, there's just no hook there.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It was upheld as a tax penalty. What did Democrats say it was? A: a tax penalty.
    It was upheld as a tax under Congress' authority to Tax. Democrats said it was not a tax at all.

    Much as cons want to hang their hats on semantics, there's just no hook there.
    It's you playing at semantics, homey. It was protected under Congress' authority to tax. It is a tax.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It was upheld as a tax penalty. What did Democrats say it was? A: a tax penalty.

    Much as cons want to hang their hats on semantics, there's just no hook there.
    a true tax, isn't punitive. this is a penalty tax....because its the most convenient way of collecting the penalty funds.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Hey, I giving you what those that I know, sorta the Horses Mouth, have said.
    I believe you! Just saying that anecdotal evidence doesn't go very far. Some VA hospitals are excellent and I'm sure there are plenty that aren't.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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