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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't see that. He didn't believe it was a tax. A good lawyer covered his bets and won. But, practically, it makes no difference.
    I see. The Constitutional law professor didn't understand what they were doing. I guess Pelosi was right, they had to pass it to figure out what was in it.

    Did they argue under congress' authority to tax by mistake, as well?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Another thing that sucks about the American system. Lawsuits are very rare here.

    But heck, better cover your ass and start sending 20 somethings to get mammograms and colonoscopies.

    If you're refering to the link, I didn't write it, just posted it. Don't agree, then dispute.

    If your refering to the American system, I posted the reason we have so many "extra" mammos and scopes, is the doctors are covering their arse. Maybe some sort of "tort reform" should have been added to Obamacare. Oh, I forgot the American Bar Association rejected that part.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Folks who make too much to qualify for Medicaid but too little to pay for health coverage, as well as many with pre existing conditions.
    And paying an additional tax is going to help them.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I see. The Constitutional law professor didn't understand what they were doing.

    Did they argue under congress' authority to tax by mistake, as well?
    You'll notive the judges disagreed. Not only was there a 5-4 split, but at least bought the commerce clause argument. So, you premise that there was only one answer doesn't really hold water.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

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    I have friends in the system and their comments reflect what you've posted.
    As I understand it it's like the private system: better in some places than others.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I see. The Constitutional law professor didn't understand what they were doing.

    Did they argue under congress' authority to tax by mistake, as well?
    you should notice that the law advocated by that Constitutional scholar prevailed
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't see that. He didn't believe it was a tax. A good lawyer covered his bets and won. But, practically, it makes no difference.

    The JD legal eagles argued that point before the Supremes. Of did you think the Supremes made that up out of whole cloth?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you should notice that the law advocated by that Constitutional scholar prevailed
    Right, as a tax. You should note that he was well aware it was a tax while he was saying it was not a tax.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    The JD legal eagles argued that point before the Supremes. Of did you think the Supremes made that up out of whole cloth?
    Right, and the states and other opponents argued that it wasn't a tax. Were they deceptive liars, too?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Waiting times were already getting longer in the United States. Obamacare didn't solve the problem, nor did it create the problem. Why we're debating this is beyond me, as it has nothing to do with what was decided yesterday.

    And when you think about it, it's the perfect metaphor for his entire Presidency. Neither caused nor solved the problem.
    Because Obamacare is in effect it will be seen as in a direct line of causation in the eyes of most Americans. Costs were going to increase any way. Now Obamacare will be viewed as responsible. That's what happens when the country produces two complete generations of poorly educated people. They see things in the most simple terms. The same is true for the inevitable decline in the quality of care and the undeniable rationing that's on the way. Because Obamacare is in the direct line of fire.

    It will take time to hammer this in. It will probably take ten years for the inefficiencies and bureaucratic sclerosis to thoroughly stigmatize Obamacare. The political culture in America demands that there be no peace. Both sides are totally relentless. Neither side has clean hands. But that doesn't matter any more.

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