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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I prefer this new system where only those not being responsible for their health care are paying the tax, rather than the system before where everyone paid higher health care costs to cover those not willing to be responsible for their own health care.

    Conservatives, back when they cared more about fiscal responsibility, agreed obviously, when they came up with the insurance mandate as an alternative to UHC.
    It's not just those that are irresponsible. It's anyone that makes enough money to have to file a tax return. That's anyone making over 9k a year (single) and families making over 18k a year (married). Think they can afford insurance premiums?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's not just those that are irresponsible. It's anyone that makes enough money to have to file a tax return. That's anyone making over 9k a year (single) and families making over 18k a year (married). Think they can afford insurance premiums?
    The insurance premiums could be lower for everyone, considering that 30 million people will be joining the pool.

    I'm not holding my breath for that one.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's not just those that are irresponsible. It's anyone that makes enough money to have to file a tax return. That's anyone making over 9k a year (single) and families making over 18k a year (married). Think they can afford insurance premiums?
    The folks you're talking about qualify for regular Medcaid. They aren't even effected by Obamacare.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The insurance premiums could be lower for everyone, considering that 30 million people will be joining the pool.

    I'm not holding my breath for that one.
    Right, insurance extended to poor people with bad diets is gonna lower the premiums. Let me ask you something....Do people in Dallas pay the same auto insurance premiums as people in, say Truth or Consequences, NM?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Most importantly that they passed it under false pretenses. Which is a nice way of saying they lied to the American people.
    I don't see that. He didn't believe it was a tax. A good lawyer covered his bets and won. But, practically, it makes no difference.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's not just those that are irresponsible. It's anyone that makes enough money to have to file a tax return. That's anyone making over 9k a year (single) and families making over 18k a year (married). Think they can afford insurance premiums?
    There is assistance available for those that cannot afford health insurance:



    "Help for the Uninsured
    I don't have insurance, and really can't afford it. Is there anything in health reform to help me now?

    New York State already has a lot of programs for people that don't have insurance. Visit the Health Insurance Coverage in New York State page for more information. You can also call 1-800-698-4KIDS for more information about health insurance for children, or 1-877-9FHPLUS (1-877-934-7587) for more information about health insurance for low income adults.

    Health reform will further expand the Medicaid program starting in 2014, making it easier for more low income adults and children to get help. If you would like more information, go to Putting Americans In Control of Their Health Care, and click "I do not have insurance."

    Questions and Answers - Federal Health Care Reform Implementation in New York State
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Waiting times were already getting longer in the United States. Obamacare didn't solve the problem, nor did it create the problem. Why we're debating this is beyond me, as it has nothing to do with what was decided yesterday.

    And when you think about it, it's the perfect metaphor for his entire Presidency. Neither caused nor solved the problem.


    What do you think the "waiting time" is going to be when 30 Million more people are added. I'm on record that it's going to be a lot longer. The solution is to produce more doctors. Who's going to foot the bill for these doctors?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The folks you're talking about qualify for regular Medcaid. They aren't even effected by Obamacare.
    The Attack Democrat--Nothing Conservative Here: How does the insurance mandate work?

    Then who are these 50 million uninsured people? Just folks that choose not to get it?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And all retired personnel that use it pay insurance premiums. It takes months to get an appointment, and the care is...rushed...to say the least.
    I have friends in the system and their comments reflect what you've posted.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The Attack Democrat--Nothing Conservative Here: How does the insurance mandate work?

    Then who are these 50 million uninsured people? Just folks that choose not to get it?
    Folks who make too much to qualify for Medicaid but too little to pay for health coverage, as well as many with pre existing conditions.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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