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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The cancer wasn't diagnosed in sufficient time. She died during the expedited waiting period.
    That is pretty much what happened to my dad right here in the US.....
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, there's one response. How about it, Canuks? Ready to trade health care systems with your southern neighbor? Anyone, anyone????

    See reply 1876.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    The National Bureau of Economic Research

    Comparing the U.S. and Canadian Health Care Systems

    "the use of cancer screenings including mammograms and PAP smears (for women), PSA screenings (for men), and colonoscopies. They find that the use of these tests is more frequent in the U.S. - for example, 86 percent of U.S. women ages 40 to 69 have had a mammogram, compared to 73 percent of Canadian women. The U.S. also is endowed with many more MRI machines and CT scanners per capita. The authors find evidence of the possible effectiveness of higher levels of screening and equipment by examining mortality rates in both countries for five types of cancer that could be affected by early detection and treatment. Because the incidence of cancer may differ for reasons other than the health care system, they compare the ratio of the mortality rate to the incidence rate - a lower ratio corresponds to a lower death rate for those with the disease. They find that the ratio is lower in the U.S. for all types of cancer except cervical cancer, suggesting that the U.S. health care system is generally more successful in the detection and treatment of cancer."


    "The authors also examine wait times, which are often cited as a problem in Canada. Though comparative information is limited, available data indicate much longer waits in Canada than in the U.S. to consult a specialist and to have non-emergency surgery like knee re-placements"


    And in some instances both countries are the same.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is pretty much what happened to my dad right here in the US.....
    And I'm sure many others in both the Canadian and American system. That doesn't prove squat.

    BTW, sorry about your Dad, Redress.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Yeah, the way Medicaid and Medicare do. Isn't this what you're promoting?
    That's a far more efficient way of paying the costs for those who can't afford it, then sticking the provider and/or people who do have insurance with the bill. It discourages free riding and encourages people to get covered. If everyone had health insurance then there would be far fewer health-related bankruptcies...and the only way to get everyone health insurance is to subsidize it for those who couldn't otherwise afford it.

    Anyone who can't afford health insurance ranting about "personal responsibility" and how they don't want a handout is deluding themselves. The minute they get sick they'll be begging for a handout.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is pretty much what happened to my dad right here in the US.....
    Yep. Same with my dad, Redress. He waited too long to get the initial diagnosis. He was dead in six weeks.


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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    The National Bureau of Economic Research

    Comparing the U.S. and Canadian Health Care Systems

    "the use of cancer screenings including mammograms and PAP smears (for women), PSA screenings (for men), and colonoscopies. They find that the use of these tests is more frequent in the U.S. - for example, 86 percent of U.S. women ages 40 to 69 have had a mammogram, compared to 73 percent of Canadian women. The U.S. also is endowed with many more MRI machines and CT scanners per capita. The authors find evidence of the possible effectiveness of higher levels of screening and equipment by examining mortality rates in both countries for five types of cancer that could be affected by early detection and treatment. Because the incidence of cancer may differ for reasons other than the health care system, they compare the ratio of the mortality rate to the incidence rate - a lower ratio corresponds to a lower death rate for those with the disease. They find that the ratio is lower in the U.S. for all types of cancer except cervical cancer, suggesting that the U.S. health care system is generally more successful in the detection and treatment of cancer."


    "The authors also examine wait times, which are often cited as a problem in Canada. Though comparative information is limited, available data indicate much longer waits in Canada than in the U.S. to consult a specialist and to have non-emergency surgery like knee re-placements"
    I think the difference is we only do these procedures when needed. In the American system, it's done not only because it's needed but because hospitals and clinics can make more money by sending patients to have thee test unnecessarily.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    Yep. Same with my dad, Redress. He waited too long to get the initial diagnosis. He was dead in six weeks.
    It is a good representation of why using anecdote is not an effective argument. Literally billions of people receive health care in the world every year, there are good stories and bad stories. My step-sister was killed by a doctor's mistake, right here is the US(Needed a catheter run into her heart while giving birth, the catheter went out the wall of the artery running to heart, then back in, then out again, then in and damaged wall of heart).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I think the difference is we only do these procedures when needed. In the American system, it's done not only because it's needed but because hospitals and clinics can make more money by sending patients to have thee test unnecessarily.
    Or the "hospitals and clinics" are afraid they'll have their pants sued off.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    See reply 1876.
    Speaking for myself, never in a million years.
    That's the response I usually get to that question from Canadians, Australians, anyone who has UHC. Any dissenting opinions from Canadians, or are we just going to hear about Canadian waiting periods from people who don't live there?
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