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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I know of more than a few Canadians who REFUSE to even vacation to the USA for a weekend, such as driving down to NYC or Boston from Montreal or Toronto, simply due to our healthcare system.

    the danger of being injured & sick, and having to fork over tens of thousands of dollars, is just too much to bare.
    I am lucky because I am covered through work for about a million (what does that amount to? A broken leg?) I kid, yet cannot get over how much more expensive your healthcare is. In any event, when I was not covered through my work, I usually got Blue Cross Insurance just in case when visiting the US.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Have you ever experienced a VA hospital? It's not 100% socialized by the way.
    No, I haven't been a patient in a VA hospital but I've visited a few. Also have a friend who was a VA radiologist.

    And the VA is absolutely the most socialist health system in the world. The doctors work for the government, the hospitals and all the equipment are owned by the government, the care is paid for by the government, the meds are paid for by the government ... It doesn't get any more socialist than that.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    My aunt in Edmonton had a form of cancer. The Canadian health care system diagnosed it after she became sick. She died while she was waiting in line for treatment. She should have come to America for surgery instead of waiting in Canada.
    If she would have been proactive, she might have survived. The wait did not kill her because we don't have long wait periods for advanced cancer.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I know of more than a few Canadians who REFUSE to even vacation to the USA for a weekend, such as driving down to NYC or Boston from Montreal or Toronto, simply due to our healthcare system.

    the danger of being injured & sick, and having to fork over tens of thousands of dollars, is just too much to bare.
    OK, there's one response. How about it, Canuks? Ready to trade health care systems with your southern neighbor? Anyone, anyone????
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nope, I'd do what I could to pay it off. Again the whole idea of personal responsibility seems to escape you even though i've mentioned it several times already.
    Unfortunately, with your salary "doing what you could to pay it off" simply isn't enough if you incur a major medical expense. So what you'll ACTUALLY do is stick someone else with the bill.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? The cost of ObamaCare, as allowed by the SCOTUS, without requiring MANDATED increased Medicaid "contributions" by the states will be HUGE, since the states NOW do not have to PAY FOR 1/2 of that amount.
    The states never did have to pay for half of the expansion. The federal government is willing to foot the bill for 100% of the expansion for the first years, and 90% thereafter.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    If she would have been proactive, she might have survived. The wait did not kill her because we don't have long wait periods for advanced cancer.
    The cancer wasn't diagnosed in sufficient time. She died during the expedited waiting period.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Every Canadian is off work for 9.5 weeks every year due to having to wait for health care?

    No kidding?

    Then, Canadians should be chomping at the bit to get a US style of health care, correct?

    OK, Canadians, I know that there are some on this board. How many would trade health care systems with the USA?
    Read the article, it doesn't say that your stretching it out of context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Unfortunately, with your salary "doing what you could to pay it off" simply isn't enough if you incur a major medical expense. So what you'll ACTUALLY do is stick someone else with the bill.
    Yeah, the way Medicaid and Medicare do. Isn't this what you're promoting?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Would you please point out the provisions of the legislation that were passed through the Budget Reconciliation process and the provisions that weren't passed through that process? Thanks.
    The bulk of the bill was passed through the standard process. This includes nearly all of the major provisions of the law. Wikipedia has a good rundown of all the provisions in the original bill (which were NOT passed by reconciliation) here:
    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The changes that were passed by reconciliation were known as the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, and can be found here:
    Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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