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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    So why do the Canadians come here for pre-planned surgery? Is it because we are, on average, less satisfied with our health care system than other count, or because they're so backed up with their brand of socilized medicine?
    They don't want to have to wait 4 to 6 months just to see a endocrinologist or a neurologist. In 2007 the average wait time between seeing your family doctor and the specialist or therapeutic care was 18+ weeks, I doubt it has improved substantially.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    There were a trillion in cuts elsewhere in the legislation that offset the increased costs of Obamacare according to the numbers the administration gave to the CBO. Those numbers were false. A lie is a lie. That lie was the basis for use of the Budget Reconciliation Act. That lie delegitimates use of the Budget Reconciliation process for Obamacare in the Senate.
    I guess that's why the law has been overturned. Oh wait ... it hasn't. I suppose the conservatives who have been going after the law like rabid dogs haven't figured out what you figured out.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    They don't want to have to wait 4 to 6 months just to see a endocrinologist or a neurologist. In 2007 the average wait time between seeing your family doctor and the specialist or therapeutic care was 18+ weeks, I doubt it has improved substantially.
    "In reality, both data and anecdotes show that the American people are already waiting as long or longer than patients living with universal health-care systems."
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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why do Americans -- like Sarah Palin -- go to Canada for health care?
    44 - Palin says her family went to Canada for health care when she was young

    Most Canadians are quite happy with their health care system. That doesn't mean that it's perfect or that it's better in every respect.

    You know what, I don't agree with you on issues, but you always seemed to be a tad above the norm.

    But PALIN? Really? You had to go there?

    Shun.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    They don't want to have to wait 4 to 6 months just to see a endocrinologist or a neurologist. In 2007 the average wait time between seeing your family doctor and the specialist or therapeutic care was 18+ weeks, I doubt it has improved substantially.

    Spot on.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not really that surprised. Liberals often speak about rights and "thinking independently" but when it comes down to it they are just as bad as conservatives in the thinking department.
    A good step toward thinking independently would be to actually learn what's in the law you hate so much. The fact that you thought you would be on the hook for the mandate for health insurance you can't afford, and that you didn't know what a health insurance exchange is, suggests that you are not aware of the main provisions of the law. Therefore it makes me wonder how you could have possibly come to hate it so much when you don't even know what it is. The only possible answer to that question is that you have allowed right-wing pundits to whip you into a frenzy.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Except the coverage ain't so great. For those who can barely afford the Bronze coverage, how can they afford to pay 40% of the health care bills?
    Never said the coverage was great.

    But nothing stopped companies from dropping their health care last month or last year, or 4 years ago, or 8 years ago. So I just don't buy it as a reason that Obamacare is a horrible change. It's also why I'm not a big fan of it.


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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I was not SOL. Know what I did? Pay the medical bill. Imagine that...someone taking responsibility for thier bills. Yeah it may take time and not be paid all at once. But at least it is paid off on my own dime and not anyone elses.
    That only works if your bills are small enough to make it relatively affordable, and if you can't afford health insurance then you certainly can't afford a big bill. What are you going to do if you get hit by a bus tomorrow and spend six months in the hospital? Probably stick the hospital with the bill.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    So why do the Canadians come here for pre-planned surgery? Is it because we are, on average, less satisfied with our health care system than other count, or because they're so backed up with their brand of socilized medicine?


    Patient choice.

    Canadian politician chooses American health care system for surgery


    I would choose better care as well.

    In a 90% chance of success vs 95% choice? Yeah go with the 95%. Thats a die roll not to fool with.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yet ironically alot of people that I have talked to about thier countries UHC they have all agreed that they got crap service. And you want this for us? Again, not surprised.
    If you've been getting good service from the current system, you are in a small minority.


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