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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I was not SOL. Know what I did? Pay the medical bill. Imagine that...someone taking responsibility for thier bills. Yeah it may take time and not be paid all at once. But at least it is paid off on my own dime and not anyone elses.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Every single country in the world with universal health care spends less per capita on health care than the United States. And although Obamacare doesn't get us to universal health care, it does bring us closer and puts into place the cost controls that have been successful in every other developed country.
    And yet ironically alot of people that I have talked to about thier countries UHC they have all agreed that they got crap service. And you want this for us? Again, not surprised.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But only the individual mandate. Per the CBO, repealing the entire law would increase the deficit.



    Generally reconciliation is only allowed on measures that reduce the deficit. Most of the ACA (including the individual mandate) was passed through the standard process; only a small addendum was passed via reconciliation.
    Use of the Budget Reconciliation Act in the Senate to pass Obamacare was illegitimate. The Budget Reconciliation process can only be used if a piece of legislation has no budgetary impact. Obamacare was scored by the CBO as having no impact because the cost was supposed to have no budget impact because it was kept under a trillion dollars. After passage the CBO looked at the costs again and determined that the cost will instead be about $1.7 trillion over the next ten years.

    That means that Obamacare did have a budgetary impact and that the Budget Reconciliation process could not be used by the legislation's advocates in the Senate. They did it any way based on a lie to the CBO and the people.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yet ironically alot of people that I have talked to about thier countries UHC they have all agreed that they got crap service. And you want this for us? Again, not surprised.
    Among OECD Nations, U.S. Lags in Personal Health

    U.S. Health Care Satisfaction Trails Others

    So the answer is YES. We pay double what other countries pay and receive, on average, about the same level of care, and we are, on average, less satisfied with our health care system than other countries.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Use of the Budget Reconciliation Act in the Senate to pass Obamacare was illegitimate. The Budget Reconciliation process can only be used if a piece of legislation has no budgetary impact. Obamacare was scored by the CBO as having no impact because the cost was supposed to have no budget impact because it was kept under a trillion dollars. After passage the CBO looked at the costs again and determined that the cost will instead be about $1.7 trillion over the next ten years.

    That means that Obamacare did have a budgetary impact and that the Budget Reconciliation process could not be used by the legislation's advocates in the Senate. They did it any way based on a lie to the CBO and the people.
    By what logic does just under a trillion dollars have "no impact" on the budget?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Among OECD Nations, U.S. Lags in Personal Health

    U.S. Health Care Satisfaction Trails Others

    So the answer is YES. We pay double what other countries pay and receive, on average, about the same level of care, and we are, on average, less satisfied with our health care system than other countries.
    America lags in health because it is both a First World Country and a Third World country. America's Third World character has to be kept in mind when comparing it to purely First World countries.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Among OECD Nations, U.S. Lags in Personal Health

    U.S. Health Care Satisfaction Trails Others

    So the answer is YES. We pay double what other countries pay and receive, on average, about the same level of care, and we are, on average, less satisfied with our health care system than other countries.

    So why do the Canadians come here for pre-planned surgery? Is it because we are, on average, less satisfied with our health care system than other count, or because they're so backed up with their brand of socilized medicine?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    What Obama's Affordable Care Act Will Cost Consumers - Business Insider



    Liberals are actually gloating over these numbers. Just because Roberts punted this garbage back to the other 2 branches doesn't mean it's a good law. And yes it's Unconstitutional. Roberts went activist because he was afraid the Court would be "Mic Checked" by Obama and the Democrats if he didn't cave to their thuggery and intimidation.
    Those numbers are + the deductibles, copays and coinsurance.

    General percentage by level paid by consumer
    (through deductibles, copays and coinsurance)

    Bronze Level 40%
    Silver Level 30%
    Gold Level 20%
    Platinum Level 10%

    What kind of coverage will the plans sold through the health insurance exchanges include?
    as I pointed out before someone on the Bronze plan with the 40% deductible that needed a hip operation would have to come up with about $15,000 out of pocket. If your barely making it you'll need to make a mortgage out of it or head to Bankruptcy court. I wonder how long it will be before they change the medical bills to the same as student loans, can't be discharged in Bankruptcy court.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    By what logic does just under a trillion dollars have "no impact" on the budget?
    There were a trillion in cuts elsewhere in the legislation that offset the increased costs of Obamacare according to the numbers the administration gave to the CBO. Those numbers were false. A lie is a lie. That lie was the basis for use of the Budget Reconciliation Act. That lie delegitimates use of the Budget Reconciliation process for Obamacare in the Senate.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    So why do the Canadians come here for pre-planned surgery? Is it because we are, on average, less satisfied with our health care system than other count, or because they're so backed up with their brand of socilized medicine?
    Why do Americans -- like Sarah Palin -- go to Canada for health care?
    44 - Palin says her family went to Canada for health care when she was young

    Most Canadians are quite happy with their health care system. That doesn't mean that it's perfect or that it's better in every respect.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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