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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    EXACTLY. ObamaCare = Income redistribution. Taking setting the risk based premium rates out of the private insurance "business" leaves absolutely NOTHING for them to do but verify/pay claims for a profit (set by the gov't).

    That's exactly what it's been all along. Another way to take money from th 52% and pay for the 48%. You gotta admit getting the taxpaper to pay for liberal votes is really smart.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    How do you figure that, since I can almost GUARANTEE that when our Union Contract is up next year the Company I work for is going to do everything in their power to limit or take our health insurance benefit away from us due to the "Cadilac" healthcare provision in this bill?
    You can bet on that. As long as companies can save money by dumping health insurance plans, they will.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think the supporters of this decision missed a very important point I made. Let's say the religious right wins the next election and uses the decision for political gain, they say "okay, fine, you win on the abortion debate it's legal" "thanks to your new backdoor though we now can tax an abortion at 1000%, go ahead, take it to SCOTUS, but remember thanks to your new champion John Roberts we can tax for anything". Or, since the BOR was subjugated to tax powers, if say..........the poll tax were to be re-instituted, the civil rights act < BOR < Taxation. People don't realize what was done here.


    This is now a solid possibility. This is scary as hell to me.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    The decision in Roberts v. America yesterday legitimates fraud in the inducement in the passage of all future legislation. The day will come when this fact produces consequences that the American left deeply abhors.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Medicare was cut prior to this fisco was found constitutional by $500M. Who do you thinks going to pick up that tab?

    Part of the new and improved HC "taxes" is a tax on hip replacement devices. Who do you think is going to pick up the tab for this?
    For a second time Billy, try to understand the issue:


    Q:Where did the $500 million taken from Medicare this year under President Obama’s health care law come from, and how does it affect Medicare for retiring baby boomers in 2012?

    A:The Affordable Care Act had a number of provisions that achieved savings in the Medicare program. Those savings, which is what you are referring to, come from primarily two places: payments and cuts. There is a slowdown in the increase of payments to hospitals, skilled nursing facilities and other health-care providers. In other words, their reimbursements will still increase, but they won't increase as much as they would have under old law. There will also be savings from actual cuts in reimbursements to Medicare advantage plans—which had been traditionally overpaid by the federal government, getting paid more than 100% of what the traditional or fee for service. The private insurance companies were getting 110% to 113% of what it costs the traditional-run government programs to take care of somebody—that number is getting ratcheted down to 100% over the next three to five years.
    The important thing to know is that these savings do two things: they will make the Medicare program more sustainable and are not expected to lead to any kinds of problems for baby boomers or anyone else on the Medicare programs. There are no cuts to benefits or increased premiums to people with Medicare because of these savings.


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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    You can bet on that. As long as companies can save money by dumping health insurance plans, they will.
    In all this despair, let us not forget that companies still need to attract the best employees they can.


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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    In all this despair, let us not forget that companies still need to attract the best employees they can.
    That is true for very highly skilled employees, but the overwhelming majority of Americans don't fall within that category.

    The problem is that the world is awash in highly skilled Chinese and Indians. Even the legal profession has been affected by outsourcing because of the reduced costs of hiring Indian lawyers for lower level routine legal work.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    In all this despair, let us not forget that companies still need to attract the best employees they can.
    Quite true, I'm sure management will still have health care in their packages.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But in this case, it *is* a power delegated to the US government in the Constitution...in Congress' power to levy a tax:
    So let's word it this way: This law is a tax charged to the people at 1% of their income (except low-wage earners). They can get a deduction equal to this tax for buying health insurance.

    Is this accurate? This turns the 10th amendment on its head. So now instead of the federal government only having the power to do what is specified in the constitution, the government now has the power to encourage through taxation anything that they are not specifically restricted to do in the constitution.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The decision in Roberts v. America yesterday legitimates fraud in the inducement in the passage of all future legislation. The day will come when this fact produces consequences that the American left deeply abhors.
    Cool, but you're forgetting one thing. We have an actual law on our side...the most sweeping piece of economic legislation since Medicare. All you have are silly hypotheticals.
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