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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    I really hear your concern. Here are some sites I found that are looking for donations.
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    Thank you for your concern. But I set up a Section 501(c)(3) tax exempt nonprofit charitable foundation some years ago to help low income working families. That's where I put my charitable dollars.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    kindly provide your evidence that all revenue collected from the tax-penalty for not having insurance, will go straight to funding ACA.

    I know you can't, as the claim is absurd & baseless.
    That's the best you got?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Conservative media is calling Obamacare by the name Roberts v. America.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ok, but its not an increase in any income tax rates.

    so calling it a tax-increase on the middle-class is intellectually absurd.

    So you agree Obama wasn't telling the truth when he said it wasn't a tax.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's no different than giving you a tax credit for buying solar panels. They're two sides of the same coin...if you get a tax credit for solar panels, then it's essentially a tax on not buying them. And tax credits have been well-established for decades.



    No, they still can't pass laws violating the Constitution. So for example, they couldn't tax me for not buying a Bible.
    They specifically said that the individual mandate is not constitutional anywhere in the constitution. not under the commerce clause. not under the necessary and proper clause. They can now pass laws that are not allowable by the constitution so long as the punishment of disobeying the law is only a tax. Because it's not a 'law'. It's only encouragement...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Thank you for your concern. But I set up a Section 501(c)(3) tax exempt nonprofit charitable foundation some years ago to help low income working families. That's where I put my charitable dollars.
    Hey, that's great! Good on you.
    What's the website?


    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    They specifically said that the individual mandate is not constitutional anywhere in the constitution. not under the commerce clause. not under the necessary and proper clause. They can now pass laws that are not allowable by the constitution so long as the punishment of disobeying the law is only a tax. Because it's not a 'law'. It's only encouragement...
    And in so doing, they have declared this manner of taxation that was forbidden by Article I of the Constitution now an acceptable way to tax. Who needs an Amendment process? We've got the SCOTUS.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    So you agree Obama wasn't telling the truth when he said it wasn't a tax.
    its not a traditional tax.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Does any one remember the delegitimization the Supreme Court experienced in the eyes of Liberals and Leftists after the decision in Bush v. Gore? That decision poisoned the political culture of America. Many Liberals and Leftists said that Bush wasn't their president. The same thing will be true on the right based on the fraudulent passage of Obamacare and the decision in Roberts v. America.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Awesome, use your logic on this.

    Under the mandate, I get charged about $300 if I don't purchase health insurance.

    However,thanks to the fact that insurance has to take me no matter what, I am effectively covered - I can apply if I get hurt or sick and they have to take me and can't charge me any extra for my waiting.

    Health Insurance for a family of four is around $11,000.

    SO

    I can' pay $11,000 for coverage, or $300 for coverage.

    Which will I (and millions upon millions of Americans) choose?
    The penalty will rise somewhat rapidly in the next several years, so you'll be paying closer to $1,000. Still cheaper, right? But at least you've paid something to offset costs.

    The other factor is that people tend to behave in a more ethical fashion when they're forced to make a conscious choice of acting ethically or not.

    And of course all of this hand wringing is overblown insofar very few people will actually be impacted by the mandate. Most get insurance through their employer, or get Medicare/aid, or would qualify for subsidized insurance.

    So to actually get hit you have to be able to afford insurance but turn it down, making the conscious decision to pay the penalty because you know you can screw over your fellow Americans if you do get sick by cheating the insurance system.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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