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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    Yes, but now they can tax you for not doing something... Now they can encourage us to do whatever they please, even beyond the bounds of the commerce clause or the necessary and proper clause (they explained that the individual mandate is not covered by either), so long as the only punishment for not doing what they ask us to do is a "tax". This is reach is much further than anything they've ever done. They've just said that the commerce clause & necessary & proper clause are completely irrelevant. That they can pass any law they want, so long as the punishment is only a tax.
    Okay, think about it this way. These bull**** programs were always sold under the Commerce Clause when everyone knew what they really are.....taxes. If nothing else, Roberts has removed the ability to do that and placed these programs out in the sunlight where they can be seen for what they are. No more commerce, no more bull****, no more slight of hand.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Roe v. Wade is still viewed by some as illegitimate after more than forty years. What will happen now on the right is the delegitimation of Obamacare in the minds of the conservative half of the country. Increased costs and decreased quality in health care will fuel the fires of delegitimization.

    There are going to be glitches and problems that will invariably develop in Obamacare as it is implemented. It won't be possible to repair these problems legislatively. So President Obama will act outside the law and attempt repairs by executive order. This in turn does violence to the Constitutional Doctrine of checks and balances.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    Yes, but now they can tax you for not doing something... Now they can encourage us to do whatever they please, even beyond the bounds of the commerce clause or the necessary and proper clause (they explained that the individual mandate is not covered by either), so long as the only punishment for not doing what they ask us to do is a "tax".
    It's no different than giving you a tax credit for buying solar panels. They're two sides of the same coin...if you get a tax credit for solar panels, then it's essentially a tax on not buying them. And tax credits have been well-established for decades.

    This is reach is much further than anything they've ever done. They've just said that the commerce clause & necessary & proper clause are completely irrelevant. That they can pass any law they want, so long as the punishment is only a tax.
    No, they still can't pass laws violating the Constitution. So for example, they couldn't tax me for not buying a Bible.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Those that create and or promote false memes do not serve his fellow man, they are working against his best interests.
    The determination of what is true and false is totally subjective. In any event what cannot be stopped is that tens of millions of people are in the process of losing faith in the United States Govt. That can't be prevented now. And it bodes ill for America. If you don't believe me about the process of delegitimization check out conservative media.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, they still can't pass laws violating the Constitution. So for example, they couldn't tax me for not buying a Bible.

    they can pass a law making you pay a heavy fine for not owning a gun though.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so you just moved the goal posts.
    I moved nothing, this is what I've been saying all along.

    first its "Obama broke his promise not to raise taxes on the middle-class".
    Not accurate. He promised not to fund ACA with increased taxs and yet created a new tax.

    now its "Obama broke his promise to not raise taxes on everyone that can't or won't afford health insurance, middle-class or not".
    That's exactly what the Individual mandate tax does.

    Obama has slightly raised the yearly taxes of folks who don't have and refuse to buy health insurance, whether they be billionaires or lower middle-class. Those taxes will go down as soon as they buy insurance or get a job that includes it.
    Whether they go up or down is irrelevant. He emphatically claimed "No new taxs to support ACA"

    suggesting that this can be considered a tax-increase on the middle-class, is intellectually absurd.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    ...Not accurate. He promised not to fund ACA with increased taxs and yet created a new tax....

    ...He emphatically claimed "No new taxs to support ACA"....
    kindly provide your evidence that all revenue collected from the tax-penalty for not having insurance, will go straight to funding ACA.

    I know you can't, as the claim is absurd & baseless.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    they can pass a law making you pay a heavy fine for not owning a gun though.
    That's true, they can. There is no constitutional right to not own a gun.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Anyone have something greater than a non-answer?
    The answer (to what happens if your state opts out) is that you're screwed. Your state will not participate in the subsidized insurance market, even though the state has no cost under the program for three years and only covers 10% after that. I don't know if the mandate would apply to those who would otherwise receive subsidies.
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