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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    makes me suspicious that he started with his result and worked backwards. Krauthammer has an interesting piece on this.
    Roberts does have a dual role as interpreter of the Constitution and as Custodian of the institutional role of the Supreme Court. Roberts abdicated his role as Constitutional interpreter by his lawless opinion in order to save the legitimacy of the Court in the eyes of liberals and leftists.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    But if you bring them all under the umbrella of obamacare...and kill medicaid it would save us all money...

    Im playing devils advocate...the right wants to make this out to be the end of the country as we know it...and the left wants to make it out to be the savior of the country and I beliee the truth is right smack in the middle...ITS NOW THE LAW OF THE LAND lets all try to work it out to make it the best it can be...crying whining threatening isnt going to change a thing
    Dude, I was an insurance professional for quite some time. Obamacare is an economic timebomb, we need a bi-partisan dialogue in this country to refine healthcare but a bill full of nonsense, grandstanding, and a simple wish list isn't going to do it, there are some things we need to stop doing and a few things we should start doing, but until we get some things normalized the situation will devolve.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think the supporters of this decision missed a very important point I made. Let's say the religious right wins the next election and uses the decision for political gain, they say "okay, fine, you win on the abortion debate it's legal" "thanks to your new backdoor though we now can tax an abortion at 1000%, go ahead, take it to SCOTUS, but remember thanks to your new champion John Roberts we can tax for anything". Or, since the BOR was subjugated to tax powers, if say..........the poll tax were to be re-instituted, the civil rights act < BOR < Taxation. People don't realize what was done here.
    Affirming Congress' power to tax doesn't mean that you can tax for anything and everything. If the purpose of a tax is to discourage people for exercising their constitutional rights, it is still unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has stated that abortion is a constitutional right, and the ban on the poll tax is literally written into the Constitution. On the other hand, you don't have any constitutional right to not have health insurance.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think the supporters of this decision missed a very important point I made. Let's say the religious right wins the next election and uses the decision for political gain, they say "okay, fine, you win on the abortion debate it's legal" "thanks to your new backdoor though we now can tax an abortion at 1000%, go ahead, take it to SCOTUS, but remember thanks to your new champion John Roberts we can tax for anything". Or, since the BOR was subjugated to tax powers, if say..........the poll tax were to be re-instituted, the civil rights act < BOR < Taxation. People don't realize what was done here.
    Well here is what I understand from one of the 100 things about the bill I read yesterday. They ruled that Congress had the right to tax, but that when the tax goes into affect in 2014 another case can be raised about whether the tax itself is constitutional now that tax has been put into affect. So, that could be an agrument against your hypothetical situation (and a way to get it ruled unconstitional) and simply because Congress can tax, does not make the tax itself constitutional. Granted, I do not really understand much of it myself. I will try and look for the article.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Dude, I was an insurance professional for quite some time. Obamacare is an economic timebomb,
    An economic timebomb for people in your line of work, perhaps. It's a major win for the American people and the American economy though.

    we need a bi-partisan dialogue in this country to refine healthcare
    I agree. Unfortunately we already tried that...the Republicans gave Obama the finger, abandoned their own ideas that Obama was willing to adopt, and tried to get the Supreme Court to overturn the policy they themselves had been pushing for 20 years. And now they don't have ANY alternative health care policy at all, because they completely abandoned their own policies, set fire to the earth behind them, then pissed on the ashes and salted the ground so nothing would ever grow their again. What on earth would make you think that if Obama had simply reached out a bit FARTHER to them, that there would have been any "bipartisan dialogue"? The Republicans would have simply abandoned THOSE ideas too, and that would then become the left plank in any future negotiations. Obama shouldn't have even started negotiating with himself in the first place.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    A fraud has been committed. Obama and the Democratic Congress contended that Obamacare's Mandate was not a tax during the process of enactment. Then Obama went to court and argued that the Mandate was just a tax. This is fraudulent. The fraud makes Obamacare illegitimate in the eyes of conservatives. The illegitimacy means that the furor over this decision will not fade away. Just as Roe v. Wade promoted division, alienation and estrangement so too will the Obamacare decision work like glass in a digestive system.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    What liberals want more than anything else at this point on the subject of Obamacare is peace and acquiesence. Isn't that true?

    The meme on the right is that a fraud has been committed and resulted in an illegitimate act. That belief ensures that the furor will not die.

    Since Obamacare will be in effect there will be an APPARENT direct line of causation between the increase in costs that would have occurred in any event and the decline of health care quality which results from rationing. And yes there will be clear healthcare rationing. Some groups like white seniors are clear losers.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What liberals want more than anything else at this point on the subject of Obamacare is peace and acquiesence. Isn't that true?
    Nope. I'm rather enjoying watching you flail around and have a temper tantrum.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    they could have done that anyway. sin taxes have long been established.
    Wait though, sin taxes fall under different catagories and exist because of an activity. With this decision the court basically says that you can be taxed without even a legal standing or compelling reason. Now all the government has to do is pass a "because we feel like it" tax, and if they have no other legal standing they can coerce you into compliance with the threat of tax bankruptcy. What happened here is not as simple as a sin tax.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    But Obama didn't just raise taxes on the Middle-class. Such a claim is absurd.
    I didn't make that claim. He did just raise taxes on everyone that can't or won't afford health insurance, middle-class or not.
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