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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    But if you bring them all under the umbrella of obamacare...and kill medicaid it would save us all money...

    Im playing devils advocate...the right wants to make this out to be the end of the country as we know it...and the left wants to make it out to be the savior of the country and I beliee the truth is right smack in the middle...ITS NOW THE LAW OF THE LAND lets all try to work it out to make it the best it can be...crying whining threatening isnt going to change a thing
    Slavery was once the Law of the Land also. Along with many other things that never should have been. Yet they were gotten rid of. Now we have another POS piece of legislation to get rid of. Just how do you think we're going to achieve this if we don't cry out against it? Sorry Lpast but I WILL NOT shut up about this and just "make it the best it can be". Because the best it can be is still crap.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So to make those people start "paying for their share" what do you do? Support a policy which will screw those that can't afford insurance. GOOD JOB!
    There are no such policies in the ACA that will "screw over those who can't afford insurance." You'll either get free Medicaid, or a subsidized policy on the health exchanges, or in the worst case scenario you'll get a financial hardship exemption from the mandate. And the fact that you continue this canard after I've already specifically addressed these concerns makes me suspect that you aren't merely misinformed about the contents of the law (like most people are), but are being willfully deceitful.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The $5,950 out-of-pocket maximum is for someone earning more than 400% of the poverty line. It's considerably less than that for someone with your income; you can get an overview of the subsidies, premiums, and out-of-pocket costs here.

    At your income (if you have 4 people in your family), you'll be right on the cusp of getting free Medicaid and getting a large subsidy on the health exchange. If you do end up on the health exchange, your family's premiums will be capped at 3-4% of your family's income, and your out-of-pocket maximum will be $1,983.

    You don't need to worry about Obama imposing some extra tax on you; it's designed to go after free-riders who can afford health insurance but choose not to get it. If for some reason you still aren't able to afford health insurance even with the subsidies, you can at least get a financial hardship exemption from the mandate and you won't be any worse off.
    This may be...we'll see. But it still does not change the fact that this POS legislation has set a precedent for Congress to enact any ole' law that they want all in the name of "health care" or hell...more than likely some other supposedly "good" reason.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions....ever hear that saying before? Well...you and those that want this POS legislation have just laid the foundation to hell.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I wonder how many people felt the same way about Social Security and Medicare when they were passed by Democrats. Now they have become a ingrained part of our society, championed by both sides(up until recently at least). What makes you believe the HC bill is any different? How much do you want to bet that 10 or 15 years from now there is similar agreement that we are better off because of the reform?

    As bitter and sad as you sound, take solace in the fact that there are many more that are relieved and content with the decision. We are not at war with each other but we won't let you stand in our way forever.
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    A month later, after JFK’s proposal went down, an Opinion Research Corporation poll found 44 percent said it should have been passed, while 37% supported its defeat — also showing an evenly divided public.

    Also in that poll, a majority, 54%, said it was a serious problem that “government medical insurance for the aged would be a big step toward socialized medicine.”

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And this is relevant to what I said...how?
    There is a 2.3% medical device excise tax, which is rolled into the cost of the unit.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This may be...we'll see. But it still does not change the fact that this POS legislation has set a precedent for Congress to enact any ole' law that they want all in the name of "health care" or hell...more than likely some other supposedly "good" reason.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions....ever hear that saying before? Well...you and those that want this POS legislation have just laid the foundation to hell.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor
    Y'know that Medicare denies more claims than any private insurance, right?
    Do you know why? Forms that were improperly filled out.

    You are against Medicare fraud and the properly insured getting the proper treatment and the proper provider getting the proper payment, right?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    There are no such policies in the ACA that will "screw over those who can't afford insurance." You'll either get free Medicaid, or a subsidized policy on the health exchanges, or in the worst case scenario you'll get a financial hardship exemption from the mandate. And the fact that you continue this canard after I've already specifically addressed these concerns makes me suspect that you aren't merely misinformed about the contents of the law (like most people are), but are being willfully deceitful.
    The bill currently has a shortfall of 1.1 trillion over 10 years assuming modest use of the subsidized policies and expanded medicaid(which is now optional). How much is the shortfall going to be if the usage of subsidies doubles?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This may be...we'll see. But it still does not change the fact that this POS legislation has set a precedent for Congress to enact any ole' law that they want all in the name of "health care" or hell...more than likely some other supposedly "good" reason.
    I'm OK with that.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions....ever hear that saying before? Well...you and those that want this POS legislation have just laid the foundation to hell.
    My responses to you last night were polite, my posts today (after you continue the same tired arguments) will be less so: Maybe next time, you should try learning the actual contents of laws before you decide to fervently oppose them merely because FOX News shrieks about it for 24 hours a day. Try thinking for yourself for a change. And don't tell me that you independently came to this conclusion, because you clearly don't even have a good grasp of what's in the law.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This may be...we'll see. But it still does not change the fact that this POS legislation has set a precedent for Congress to enact any ole' law that they want all in the name of "health care" or hell...more than likely some other supposedly "good" reason.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions....ever hear that saying before? Well...you and those that want this POS legislation have just laid the foundation to hell.
    Medical care is about 1/6th of the total ecomony, so it would follow that its cost, if spread evenly, would be about 1/6th of each person's expenses. The median annual income in the USA is $39,300 for an individual and $44,400 for a household. What many people SAY that they want, is for that cost to be spread "fairly". That would mean that $6550 for an individual or $7400 for a household would be spent on medical care each year. Put into monthly payment terms, that is about $546 for an individual or $617 for a household. The trick is to get that much paid for without actually seaming to require it. You can play with those numbers in many ways, but that is reality as I see it. ObamaCare seeks to use smoke and mirrors to hide the FACT that all current GOV'T medical care programs EXCEED the current national average annual per person cost of $7,400. There is a VERY good reason that ObamaCare was not made "live" during Obama's first term, that reason is its TRUE COST.
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