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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    makes me suspicious that he started with his result and worked backwards. Krauthammer has an interesting piece on this.
    There's some pretty strong circumstantial evidence that Roberts originally sided with the conservatives, and Ginsburg's concurring opinion was originally the main dissent. If you read over Scalia's dissent in this case, it makes several references to "the dissent" (i.e. Ginsburg's concurring opinion) and uses the pronoun "we" (which is highly unusual for a dissent). It sure sounds like Scalia's opinion may have initially been the majority opinion, but Roberts changed his mind.

    But I agree with Krauthammer that John Roberts views himself as the custodian of the court's reputation, in a way that most of the associate justices do not.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Wow! Another benefit for the elderly in the HC bill! If grandma falls and breaks her hip, not only is she now made to pay more for Medicare, but she'll be taxed on the "New Hip Replacement Device". Boy oh boy, can this get any better for the elderly?

    I think I'm gonna invest in cat food because granny's gonna need to pay for that new tax on her hip implant and eat more cat food.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And it is semantics in the end. It can also be called a "fee".. Texas has no taxes after all.. just lots of "fees"... this is no different.
    Texas has no income tax. It does have property and sales taxes.

    It's not semantics. It's a new tax that the Obama administration promised it was not levying.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Are you aware that medicaid pays for and covers and COSTS far more than obamacare ever would....medicad pays for top of the line hearing aids 6,000 no private health insurers pay for hearing aids except military hospitals and clinics. They pay for full eyeglass' and dental care no other health insurance provides that except veteran care.
    If obamacare trashs medicaid eventually it will be a huge savings...there is alot of waste and fraud in medicaid and medicare..medicare does not cover nearly as much as medicaid and theres copays and deductibles that medicaid does not share
    Except that Obamacare doesn't take money out of Medicare/Medicaid by reducing Fraud - but rather through the (itself sort of fraudulent) claim that they will fail to pass the "doc fix" and that Medicare will then give up over $500 Billion along with also spending it.

    Then it puts in place the IPAB to hold costs down through.... well they don't say explicitly. Apparently magic. Though, oddly, they are given the power to ration care, and their decisions are made effectively non-reversible by the Congress.... huh. Odd that. You'd almost think they are preparing to screw somebody over....

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Wow! Another benefit for the elderly in the HC bill! If grandma falls and breaks her hip, not only is she now made to pay more for Medicare, but she'll be taxed on the "New Hip Replacement Device". Boy oh boy, can this get any better for the elderly?

    I think I'm gonna invest in cat food because granny's gonna need to pay for that new tax on her hip implant and eat more cat food.
    Pay more for Medicare? Taxed for a hip replacement? Example #2,078,622 of someone criticizing the ACA without even understanding what's in it. There are no such provisions in the ACA.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Except that Obamacare doesn't take money out of Medicare/Medicaid by reducing Fraud - but rather through the (itself sort of fraudulent) claim that they will fail to pass the "doc fix" and that Medicare will then give up over $500 Billion along with also spending it.
    This is false. The "doc fix" is an unfortunate preexisting condition of our political system; the ACA merely punts on it.

    Then it puts in place the IPAB to hold costs down through.... well they don't say explicitly. Apparently magic. Though, oddly, they are given the power to ration care, and their decisions are made effectively non-reversible by the Congress.... huh. Odd that. You'd almost think they are preparing to screw somebody over....
    If by "screwing somebody over," you mean "evaluating the effectiveness of various medical procedures and stop wasting billions of dollars on procedures that have no effect or little effect," then you would be correct. Conservatives sure are remarkably fond of wasting money in our health care system. Isn't conservatism about fiscal responsibility?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Pay more for Medicare? Taxed for a hip replacement? Example #2,078,622 of someone criticizing the ACA without even understanding what's in it. There are no such provisions in the ACA.
    The CBO scored a minimum of 510b over 10 years in revenue through taxes. The end user is going to pay that tax one way or another.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The CBO scored a minimum of 510b over 10 years in revenue through taxes. The end user is going to pay that tax one way or another.
    And this is relevant to what I said...how?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Texas has no income tax. It does have property and sales taxes.

    It's not semantics. It's a new tax that the Obama administration promised it was not levying.
    until Obama raises marginal FIT rates on the middle-class, he has kept his word.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Let me give you another side to the coin ok...Cosmetologists notoriously work or worked under the irs radar...much of what they made was cash tips...very little of their actual income was taxed. Same for waitress waitress and bartenders....most of them do not pay for their own health insurance and many can afford it...WE PAY when they go to the emergency room.
    My wife had a long time manager a single gay woman...never married...who made around 80-100k a year and would not buy health insurance and every time she got sick she got around paying...she broke her leg skiiing and didnt pay a dime...theres two sides to every coin CP...there are financially secure people sucking off our teat its not just the "UNSUCCESSFUL or the poor...theres a whole swoop of people that can easily afford healthcare and refuse to pay for it...they think they should have it free.
    So to make those people start "paying for their share" what do you do? Support a policy which will screw those that can't afford insurance. GOOD JOB!
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