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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    [FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]How many not for profit health insurance companies do we have?

    At this point, since we dont have many options, I dont really give a **** if they're making more money
    Of course you don't care, as a stereotypical American who only thinks with their stomach or testicle.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Awesome, use your logic on this.

    Under the mandate, I get charged about $300 if I don't purchase health insurance.

    However,thanks to the fact that insurance has to take me no matter what, I am effectively covered - I can apply if I get hurt or sick and they have to take me and can't charge me any extra for my waiting.

    Cp..under the mandate per aarp mailer they say the 300 figure is false...if you dont buy insurance there is a 95.00 fine per year.

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    Health Insurance for a family of four is around $11,000.

    SO

    I can' pay $11,000 for coverage, or $300 for coverage.




    Which will I (and millions upon millions of Americans) choose?




    Let me give you another side to the coin ok...Cosmetologists notoriously work or worked under the irs radar...much of what they made was cash tips...very little of their actual income was taxed. Same for waitress waitress and bartenders....most of them do not pay for their own health insurance and many can afford it...WE PAY when they go to the emergency room.
    My wife had a long time manager a single gay woman...never married...who made around 80-100k a year and would not buy health insurance and every time she got sick she got around paying...she broke her leg skiiing and didnt pay a dime...theres two sides to every coin CP...there are financially secure people sucking off our teat its not just the "UNSUCCESSFUL or the poor...theres a whole swoop of people that can easily afford healthcare and refuse to pay for it...they think they should have it free.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Agreed they should pay. If they are poor, they rate Medicaid. If they aren't, medical debt. Too bad, So Sad, you made a bet, it went wrong. If it breaks you, guess what? You'll rate Medicaid.


    However, that doesn't change the fact that under Obamacare the incentives to not purchase insurance are vast, and the incentives for only the sick and broke to purchase insurance are equally large.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It was argued to be a fine by the lawyers who represented it.
    It was argued to be both a fine and a Tax actually. Which is why the court threw out fine and accepted tax.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It was argued to be both a fine and a Tax actually. Which is why the court threw out fine and accepted tax.
    And it is semantics in the end. It can also be called a "fee".. Texas has no taxes after all.. just lots of "fees"... this is no different.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    People tend to forget how much it's going to cost them should they suddenly get kidney disease, cancer or the like, and not have insurance...and not just that, but the price Americans already pay when uninsured people get sick and cant pay their bills. Hospitals donate cases as 'charity' while other patients end up filing bankruptcy..both of which are added to everyone else's medical bills.
    (For more than financial reasons) it makes sense to require health insurance.
    Yes, but there should be options in the kind of healthcare you want to insure and I hope that is possible in this plan. Here in the Netherlands everybody is mandated to have basic health insurance but most people take additional packages for more inclusive services. In the basic insurance is hospital care, doctors costs (for what the English call GP and dutch call huisarts, your local physician who is not working at the hospital), cost of medicine and various other stuff like midwife, pre-natal clinics, etc., some kinds of physiotherapy and other things. If you want extra things like the insurer paying for alternative medical practices, additional services not included in the basic package you can buy additional insurance.

    The good thing of the Dutch basic insurance and now obamacare is that insurance companies can no longer turn away patients with already existing conditions or unfairly deny people the healthcare that they need. If nothing else, that is a true victory for all who are ill in the US today.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Agreed they should pay. If they are poor, they rate Medicaid. If they aren't, medical debt. Too bad, So Sad, you made a bet, it went wrong. If it breaks you, guess what? You'll rate Medicaid.


    However, that doesn't change the fact that under Obamacare the incentives to not purchase insurance are vast, and the incentives for only the sick and broke to purchase insurance are equally large.

    Are you aware that medicaid pays for and covers and COSTS far more than obamacare ever would....medicad pays for top of the line hearing aids 6,000 no private health insurers pay for hearing aids except military hospitals and clinics. They pay for full eyeglass' and dental care no other health insurance provides that except veteran care.
    If obamacare trashs medicaid eventually it will be a huge savings...there is alot of waste and fraud in medicaid and medicare..medicare does not cover nearly as much as medicaid and theres copays and deductibles that medicaid does not share

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Are you aware that medicaid pays for and covers and COSTS far more than obamacare ever would....medicad pays for top of the line hearing aids 6,000 no private health insurers pay for hearing aids except military hospitals and clinics. They pay for full eyeglass' and dental care no other health insurance provides that except veteran care.
    If obamacare trashs medicaid eventually it will be a huge savings...there is alot of waste and fraud in medicaid and medicare..medicare does not cover nearly as much as medicaid and theres copays and deductibles that medicaid does not share

    Yes, and it is going broke. Good plan, let's all do that! See, the problem is that libs never seem to learn that what they want doesn't work, they just keep doing more of it.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Uh-huh ... sure.

    Oh yea, you're gonna see "new and improved" taxes. Well unless you're on the govt dole now. But if not, open that wallet wide. Here comes Big "Daddy" Government" and his hand open.

    Surely you aren't one of those folks who believe the "rich" can foot this bill? Now that's funny!

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    In large part, from the money saved by not having to pay for those using emergency rooms for their primary healthcare.Another big chunk coming from individuals making over $200K per year and families making over $250K.


    Yes and doctors are now going to make house calls, especially for you.

    Whew . . . . on a clear day you can see forever! Face facts you're gonna have to pay. What part of "it's a tax" don't you get?

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