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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    My family makes 30,400 per year gross. Thats 25,840 net. The following is a link for estimates on how much insurance will cost me per month...

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    The highest price is 535.56 per month with a 1,000 deductable. IE I have to pay out of pocket 1,000 dollars before my insurance kicks in.

    The lowest price is 254.02 per month with a 10,000 deductable. IE I have to pay out of pocket 10,000 dollars before my insurance kicks in.

    If I got the 535.56 one I would end up paying 6426.72 per year. That means I am now at 19,413.28 net. Costs me 9,000 just for rent alone per year. Which means I'm down to 10,413.28. Then car insurance which costs me 1200 per year. Down to 9213.28. Food costs 3600 per year. Down to 5613.28. Then there's electricity. On average thats 1800 per year. Down to 3813.28. Then I need gas for me and my wife to get to work thats 1920 per year provided gas stays same as it is now. Down to 1893.28. Clothes for kids, about 1000 per year. Down to 893.28. Telephone which is needed due to job requirements, 960 per year. Down to -66.72. And then there is the deductable if I have to use the hospital for emergency care....-1,066.72.

    So tell me...WTH is the use of having Insurance again?

    Yeah I can take the lower payment ones but what is the use? Even if I got the lowest priced one at 2,940.24 per year I still have a 10,000 deductable which means I may end up paying more with the lower cost insurance than I would with the most expensive insurance. In BOTH cases I am in the hole. Thought Healthcare insurance was suppose to keep a person OUT of the hole?

    So THANK YOU Obama & Co. for making me poorer than I already was. The only way that I am going to stay afloat is to participate in Government handouts. Like foodstamps and medicaid etc etc. Guess I won't be attempting to buy a house after all next year despite the money we've been trying to save. Useless waste of time it was. Hell...why not just say **** it and live on the government dole now? What the hell is the use of even trying if my own government is going to do this to me?

    And this isn't even mentioning all the crap that the government can now mandate an individual buy from private companies now that SCOTUS was ****ed up enough to allow via this Obamacrap of a healthcare reform.....after all...its just a tax right?

    **** Obama.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    One last time, before I say goodnight...


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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    One last time, before I say goodnight...

    Like I said, I don't fault you for wanting to gloat about this. If the decision had gone the other way, I'm sure I'd be just as insufferable. LOL

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    My family makes 30,400 per year gross. Thats 25,840 net. The following is a link for estimates on how much insurance will cost me per month...

    Link

    The highest price is 535.56 per month with a 1,000 deductable. IE I have to pay out of pocket 1,000 dollars before my insurance kicks in.

    The lowest price is 254.02 per month with a 10,000 deductable. IE I have to pay out of pocket 10,000 dollars before my insurance kicks in.

    If I got the 535.56 one I would end up paying 6426.72 per year. That means I am now at 19,413.28 net. Costs me 9,000 just for rent alone per year. Which means I'm down to 10,413.28. Then car insurance which costs me 1200 per year. Down to 9213.28. Food costs 3600 per year. Down to 5613.28. Then there's electricity. On average thats 1800 per year. Down to 3813.28. Then I need gas for me and my wife to get to work thats 1920 per year provided gas stays same as it is now. Down to 1893.28. Clothes for kids, about 1000 per year. Down to 893.28. Telephone which is needed due to job requirements, 960 per year. Down to -66.72. And then there is the deductable if I have to use the hospital for emergency care....-1,066.72.

    So tell me...WTH is the use of having Insurance again?
    Maybe there isn't. In that event, shouldn't we have a right to say "no, we're not buying that," and take our chances, even if that means opting out of ever receiving any medical attention even if we need it? At least we're living a free life in that scenario. Yes there are risks, but whatever, such is life, for all living things. Life can still be great even though you're not guaranteed survival. In fact you might enjoy your life once you embrace that you could die any day and that is the normal way of things...

    Yeah I can take the lower payment ones but what is the use? Even if I got the lowest priced one at 2,940.24 per year I still have a 10,000 deductable which means I may end up paying more with the lower cost insurance than I would with the most expensive insurance. In BOTH cases I am in the hole. Thought Healthcare insurance was suppose to keep a person OUT of the hole?
    Health insurance is supposed to manage risk. You don't want to go broke paying for medical, and I don't either. But if we go broke paying for the insurance that's supposed to keep us from going broke, then you're absolutely right, there is no point.

    So THANK YOU Obama & Co. for making me poorer than I already was. The only way that I am going to stay afloat is to participate in Government handouts. Like foodstamps and medicaid etc etc. Guess I won't be attempting to buy a house after all next year despite the money we've been trying to save. Useless waste of time it was. Hell...why not just say **** it and live on the government dole now? What the hell is the use of even trying if my own government is going to do this to me?
    What's the use? There is no use. This is their mission. Make us poor enough to NEED them.

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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    See, and I think it's actually a bad thing that the constitutionality of it was not ever even a concern.

    I'll be honest, I didn't know what the individual mandate was before Obamacare. Speaking of flip-flopping, wasn't Obama against the mandate before he was for it? I, myself, changed my mind on the mandate. My view on it actually softened, but I don't care what a good idea something is, I cannot support it if I believe it's unconstitutional, and before you tell me there's no reasonable grounds to believe that it is, 4 of the Supreme Court justices thought so too.
    Supreme Court justices can be whipped into a frenzy by right-wing pundits just like anyone else can. As much as we like to imagine that they live in a bubble where they are only concerned with the Constitution, they hear the same commentary as anyone else. Scalia, for example, was willing to brazenly disregard his own past rulings to overturn a policy he dislikes politically (Gonzalez v Raich), legally contorting himself to get the desired result.

    It is utterly inconceivable that if Mitt Romney had been elected president in 2008 and passed exactly the same bill (undoubtedly with much Republican support) that those 4 justices would have still ruled it unconstitutional...if anyone had even bothered litigating the case in the first place.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Uhmm until Wall Mart came along the public sector was the largest employer.
    Not true. How is that possible. Explain to me how it's possible to have MORE people who are paid via taxes dollars than people who PAY those tax dollars to fund them.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How did he take control? Private insurance of your choosing to pay for private doctors and private hospitals prescribing medications from private pharmaceutical companies.... There's not much government in this government takeover.
    Private insurance of my choosing, lol? Define choice, then, big guy?



    Of note, anyone take a glance at the Standard and Poor?


    Insurance companies are doing GREAT now.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Great day for the country. The more people that we have insured the better off we all are.
    Obamacare won't insure anyone. It'll merely require them to buy policies.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    The good news is, this doesn't affect me, yet. And it likely WON'T affect me for some time to come yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    My family makes 30,400 per year gross. Thats 25,840 net. The following is a link for estimates on how much insurance will cost me per month...

    Link

    The highest price is 535.56 per month with a 1,000 deductable. IE I have to pay out of pocket 1,000 dollars before my insurance kicks in.

    The lowest price is 254.02 per month with a 10,000 deductable. IE I have to pay out of pocket 10,000 dollars before my insurance kicks in.

    If I got the 535.56 one I would end up paying 6426.72 per year. That means I am now at 19,413.28 net. Costs me 9,000 just for rent alone per year. Which means I'm down to 10,413.28. Then car insurance which costs me 1200 per year. Down to 9213.28. Food costs 3600 per year. Down to 5613.28. Then there's electricity. On average thats 1800 per year. Down to 3813.28. Then I need gas for me and my wife to get to work thats 1920 per year provided gas stays same as it is now. Down to 1893.28. Clothes for kids, about 1000 per year. Down to 893.28. Telephone which is needed due to job requirements, 960 per year. Down to -66.72. And then there is the deductable if I have to use the hospital for emergency care....-1,066.72.

    So tell me...WTH is the use of having Insurance again?

    Yeah I can take the lower payment ones but what is the use? Even if I got the lowest priced one at 2,940.24 per year I still have a 10,000 deductable which means I may end up paying more with the lower cost insurance than I would with the most expensive insurance. In BOTH cases I am in the hole. Thought Healthcare insurance was suppose to keep a person OUT of the hole?

    So THANK YOU Obama & Co. for making me poorer than I already was. The only way that I am going to stay afloat is to participate in Government handouts. Like foodstamps and medicaid etc etc. Guess I won't be attempting to buy a house after all next year despite the money we've been trying to save. Useless waste of time it was. Hell...why not just say **** it and live on the government dole now? What the hell is the use of even trying if my own government is going to do this to me?

    And this isn't even mentioning all the crap that the government can now mandate an individual buy from private companies now that SCOTUS was ****ed up enough to allow via this Obamacrap of a healthcare reform.....after all...its just a tax right?

    **** Obama.
    If your family income is $26,000 and there are 4 people in your family, you will all be eligible for free Medicaid when the ACA takes effect (assuming your state participates in the expansion). It won't cost you a cent out of pocket.
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