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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Does $500 per person per year really seem that unreasonable to you? And if so, are you suggesting that the subsidy be increased? Because I could get on board with that.

    If you think that $500 is too much to spend on health insurance for an entire year, how on earth do you think they're going to be able to pay for an expensive medical bill?




    Where'd the buying insurance for $500 to $600 per year under ObamaCare come from?That's just false. It will be thousands of dollars a year and more than it is now.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    my son teaches High School science in AZ, has been for about 12 years, he has 3 kids....his school district pays for his health care insuralnce, but charges almost $12K per year to cover medical for his wife and kids. He got his own from a company outside his employer for about half that. Their annual deductible per dependent is $1500, and his oldest child has been dealing with an inoperable brain tumor for about 6 years, so her deductible is a given. So, they are paying $7500 right from the start, before anyone else gets sick. And of course if they do, they each have a deductible to meet before the insurance company starts paying....
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    I'm sorry for your grandson's problems. What make you think Obama Care will cover that?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Where'd the buying insurance for $500 to $600 per year under ObamaCare come from?That's just false. It will be thousands of dollars a year and more than it is now.
    Your source?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    First of all, the poverty line for a family of four is $27,000 so the subsidy kicks in at about $35,000 for a family of four. Because more employers will be required to provide insurance for low-wage employees, the number covered by subsidies will be less than you might think. The money for the subsidies comes from penalties, taxes and fees. According to the CBO the Act will lower deficits at the end of the day.
    Will they receive a check or tax credits?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    $50,000 a year for a family of four is NOT middle class my friend. $500 a month each just may make the difference between those kids eating tonight or not. Your compassion is breathtaking.
    No. Not $500 a month.


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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Because, no matter how good an idea something is, or the public policy reasons behind a proposed legislation, none of that matters if the law is unconstitutional.
    It's strange how the individual mandate had been tossed around for 20 years (mostly by Republican politicians and conservative intellectuals) and in all that time, no one ever noticed it was unconstitutional. It's strange how the entire constitutional argument against it seemingly came out of nowhere in 2009 when the Democrats put it in THEIR bill. It's ALMOST as though conservatives/Republicans concocted a constitutional objection out of whole cloth because they didn't want the Democrats getting credit for a major piece of legislation. Why, if I didn't know better I might even think that they were unprincipled, nihilistic hacks!
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Will they receive a check or tax credits?
    As I wrote above, they can apply for advance credits which can go directly to the insurer to reduce monthly premiums.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    $50,000 a year for a family of four is NOT middle class my friend. $500 a month each just may make the difference between those kids eating tonight or not.
    Umm $50,000 is actually ABOVE the median household income in this country. If you can't feed a family of four on $50,000, you're doing it wrong. And the individual premium is not $500 a month, it's $500 for an entire YEAR.

    Your compassion is breathtaking.
    Like I said, I'd gladly support more generous subsidies. But again, you don't actually believe what you're saying. Criticizing the ACA from the left is not going to get it repealed. What else you got?
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    Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's strange how the individual mandate had been tossed around for 20 years (mostly by Republican politicians and conservative intellectuals) and in all that time, no one ever noticed it was unconstitutional. It's strange how the entire constitutional argument against it seemingly came out of nowhere in 2009 when the Democrats put it in THEIR bill. Why, it's ALMOST as though conservatives/Republicans concocted a constitutional objection out of whole cloth because they didn't want the Democrats getting credit for a major piece of legislation.
    And what did the Dems say about it when it was a Republican idea? I've said it before, I like the idea of the mandate (if nothing else, it's nice to see people suddenly so on board with actually mandating personal responsibility) but I genuinely think it's blatantly unconstitutional. Can you not see even the possibility for legitimately believing that?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    According to the CBO the Act will lower deficits at the end of the day.
    Huh?

    Over the 10-year period from 2012 through 2021, enactment of the coverage provisions of the ACA was projected last March to increase federal deficits by $1,131 billion, whereas the March 2012 estimate indicates that those provisions will increase deficits by $1,083 billion.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...0Estimates.pdf

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