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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What's your point? "Qualified plans" will only be qualified in the first place if they meet certain criteria regarding affordability and coverage. So yes, if they can get their health insurance from their employer, they have to do that. The point is that low-income earners will not be in a situation where they have no choice but to incur some tax liability they didn't have before...they'll either be covered by Medicaid, or through their employer, or they'll get subsidies to purchase individual policies on the health insurance exchange.
    good god, you are defensive.

    my point was to provide information, nothing more , nothing less..... let loose of your partisan blinders, not everything is an attack... jeez

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Seriously people, fact check...

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    Whew. Thank goodness. It will only be 5-6000 new IRS agents. We can all breathe a great big sigh of relief.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Incorrect. A person making just above this dollar amount would pay no more than 3-4% of their income toward insurance premiums. In other words, they could actually buy a policy for $600 a year.



    In both of these cases, families earning just above the poverty line would have their health care subsidized to the point that they would only be paying 3-4% of their income toward premiums each year.



    I have a source from some kooky bloggers called the Department of HHS, Department of Treasury, and Congressional Research Service:
    http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resour...s01282011a.pdf
    http://web.archive.org/web/201010272...iumCredits.pdf
    http://www.treasury.gov/press-center...BFactSheet.PDF

    Sigh. Is it really too much to ask that people actually learn the contents of the law before they go running their mouths about how horrible it is? I mean, it's one thing to disagree with the Supreme Court's interpretation of "tax," or to think that some provision of the law is bad policy. It's another thing to not even know the contents of the law. Sadly, this seems to be par for the course with the Affordable Care Act's most vocal opponents.
    http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resour...s01282011a.pdf

    Nothing in there about advancing premium payments.

    http://web.archive.org/web/201010272...iumCredits.pdf

    Old link that was taken down for obvious reasons.

    Credit Amount

    The credit amount is generally equal to the difference between the premium for the “benchmark plan” and the taxpayer’s “expected contribution.”
    • The expected contribution is a specified percentage of the taxpayer’s household income. The percentage increases as income increases, from 2% of income for families at 100% of the federal poverty level (FPL) to 9.5% of income for families at 400% of FPL. (The actual amount a family pays for coverage will be less than the expected contribution if the family chooses a plan that is less expensive than the benchmark plan.)

    • The benchmark plan is the second-lowest-cost plan that would cover the family at the “silver” level of coverage.
    • The credit is capped at the premium for the plan the family chooses (so no one receives a credit that is larger than the amount they actually pay for their plan).

    Example 2: Family of Four with Income of $50,000, Purchases Less Expensive Plan
    If a family chooses a plan that is less expensive than the benchmark plan, the family will generally pay less, thereby creating an incentive to choose a less costly plan and reducing overall health care costs.
    • Income as a Percentage of FPL 224%
    • Expected Family Contribution: $3,570
    • Premium for Benchmark Plan: $9,000
    • Premium Tax Credit: $5,430 ($9,000 - $3,570)
    • Premium for Plan Family Chooses: $7,500
    • Actual Family Contribution: $2,070 ($7,500 - $5,430)
    LOLOLOLOL! A family of 4 attempting to survive on less than $50,000 a year will still have to cough up $2070 a year or $172 a month. I'm sure they'll vote for Obama in November.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    At the end of the day, which it is, it was a good day for Americans.... we still have the 37th best healthcare system in the world, but at least we took a step forward.

    Health care reform.jpg

    A good day. Many before Obama worked to move the ball down the field. Perhaps Obama doesn't get the TD of national healthcare, we we'll settle for the FG.


    Its now time to put this silliness behind us and move on to real issues; like the economy.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Also there are a few amusing threats to leave the country and move to (fill in the name of some other country with even more statist health care).

    I haven't seen anyone in this thread threaten to leave the US over Obamacare.....

    I'm doing away with my US citizenship in the next few years, but it has little to do with Obamacare

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I haven't seen anyone in this thread threaten to leave the US over Obamacare.....
    There have been a couple. One person in this thread threatened to move to Poland (which has universal health care), and one threatened to renounce his US citizenship and move to Iran (which doesn't have universal coverage but does have a heavy-handed government involvement in health care).
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    LOLOLOLOL! A family of 4 attempting to survive on less than $50,000 a year will still have to cough up $2070 a year or $172 a month.
    Does $500 per person per year really seem that unreasonable to you? And if so, are you suggesting that the subsidy be increased? Because I could get on board with that.

    If you think that $500 is too much to spend on health insurance for an entire year, how on earth do you think they're going to be able to pay for an expensive medical bill?

    I'm sure they'll vote for Obama in November.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy;1060637143
    A good day. Many before Obama worked to move the ball down the field. Perhaps Obama doesn't get the TD of national healthcare, we we'll settle for the FG.


    Its now time to put this silliness behind us and move on to real issues; [B
    like the economy[/B].
    Which will, btw, continue to suck, especially now that we have another confirmed unaffordable public debt for the taxpayers to deal with.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I haven't seen anyone in this thread threaten to leave the US over Obamacare.....

    I'm doing away with my US citizenship in the next few years, but it has little to do with Obamacare
    Adios, amigo!
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Does $500 per person per year really seem that unreasonable to you? And if so, are you suggesting that the subsidy be increased? Because I could get on board with that.

    If you think that $500 is too much to spend on health insurance for an entire year, how on earth do you think they're going to be able to pay for an expensive medical bill?



    $2000/yr. when the average family policy runs about $15,000 seems like a pretty good benefit to me.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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