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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Wait! Wait! ....... I haven't stopped laughing over your post on DEATH PANELS!!!



    Give me a few more minutes, will ya?

    Truth hurts doesn't it....I can always tell, when there is no retort other than your lame attempt at mockery.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I have no problem eating that this is the law of the land( it a good strict constitutionalist interpretation)... but you seem to have a big problem with the fact that this is a tax....
    do what you must to convince yourself it's not a tax, i'll stick with facts.

    wasn't it you that lied to me about liberals not supporting this mandate a while ago? .. and now here you are ... supporting it.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    I have never seen anyone lie more than this. Not even Dick Nixon.
    Read my lips. I will not raise taxes.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I have no problem eating that this is the law of the land( it a good strict constitutionalist interpretation)... but you seem to have a big problem with the fact that this is a tax.
    Nope, I have no problem with it being a tax, a penalty, a giraffe, or anything else you like, as long as it's the law of the land.

    wasn't it you that lied to me about liberals not supporting this mandate a while ago? .. and now here you are ... supporting it.
    I don't know what you're talking about. I never said liberals don't support the individual mandate, I said that most liberals would prefer to have a public option or single-payer instead.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Um...it's pretty simple.

    It was a fine as envisioned by Obama and the Democrats.

    It was defined as a fine in the law.

    It was argued to be a fine by the lawyers who represented it.

    It was supported as a fine by the lower courts.

    It was made into a tax by the Supreme Court ruling.

    The whole, "Obama and the liberals said this wasn't a tax, but it is." argument is a losing one, because the Supreme Court ultimately made it into a tax through their interpretation.

    It was the Obama lawyers that argued in the SC that it was a tax. Why are libs lying so hard now? Do you really believe that America is that stupid? You guy's are goin' down hard in approximately 4 months.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Obamacare will - imo - sharply increase the average amount of money Americans spend on healthcare.

    Once again, most Americans prove that they simply do not understand how 'supply and demand' works.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Um...it's pretty simple.

    It was a fine as envisioned by Obama and the Democrats.

    It was defined as a fine in the law.

    It was argued to be a fine by the lawyers who represented it.

    It was supported as a fine by the lower courts.

    It was made into a tax by the Supreme Court ruling.

    The whole, "Obama and the liberals said this wasn't a tax, but it is." argument is a losing one, because the Supreme Court ultimately made it into a tax through their interpretation.
    no, it's no ta losing argument.... lots of folks have said from teh beginning that it's a tax.
    that's not because they wanted to assign a bad label to it, but because of the mechanisms of it.... the IRS is charged with assessing the tax, fer christ sake.

    the argument that doesn't stand up to scrutiny is the argument put forward by the administration and it's supporters.... that of this not being a tax.... sorry, but it doesn't fly.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post

    I'm just thouroughly amazed at the fact the the SCOTUS only approved the bill's constitutionality under congress' right to tax and yet the far lefties here want to still claim that it is not a tax.

    The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post

    Who is claiming it is not a tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post

    Obama.

    He claimed there was no new tax.
    Really?? Obama is posting here???

    Which poster is he?

    ... well, you are right about cognitive dissonance, only it's not where you think it is.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    So when do my taxes go up?
    When millions of illegals flood your states medicaid program. Hold on to your wallet, your property taxes are taking off like a Poseidon missile.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Not in the least...but you will see.
    Sure ... uh-huh.

    Hey, if I collected a dollar every time someone told me to wait and see, then my taxes really would go up.



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