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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    No, America is still everyone's country. That's why it is a democracy.
    You have conquered us. We are now subjects, not citizens.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, Okay General Lee.
    Better DEAD than Red and those seem to be the only two options now.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    It's not a tax people.

    LOL.

    That's OK the NEXT president can just exempt everybody under 126 years of age and that has at least seen a high school in the area. ;-)
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    ...Essentially, a majority of the Court has accepted the Administration's backup argument that, as Roberts put it, "the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition -- not owning health insurance -- that triggers a tax -- the required payment to IRS." Actually, this was the Administration's second backup argument: first argument was Commerce Clause, second was Necessary and Proper Clause, and third was as a tax. The third argument won...

    The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition. ..
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Is it safe to say that this is the largest tax increase ever foisted on the American people?
    Not by a million miles. In fact they estimate that very few people will be affected by the penalty -- which is what happened in MA.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Is it safe to say that this is the largest tax increase ever foisted on the American people?
    Just a portion of the American people, unfortunately.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what a fascinating claim. what other "conservatives" sided with him?
    Sometimes, right is just right and wrong is just plain wrong. I have always been of the opinion that a sitting SC judge should be above political ideology and just stick with the letters of the law without taking the liberty of intrepretation to their particular ideology or political leanings.

    But I am surprised at Roberts. I thought he'd be the first to suck up to the GOP.

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    Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

    Supreme Court upholds health care law - This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

    Healthcare law upheld.
    5/4 decision.

    Roberts was the swing vote:
    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Justice Roberts
    “It is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without insurance. Such legislation is within Congress’ power to tax."
    Court rules 5-4 to uphold individual mandate
    Court says the requirement to have insurance is a tax, and is constitutional.
    Court says on Medicaid that the federal government may not take Medicaid from states that refuse to take part. (That is a limited ruling, without striking it down. In the ruling the court offered the government a way to remedy this potential problem.) Court vindicates, affirms Presidential and congressional power in an important issue like health care.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No it's not. It definitely is not my country and that's why I just sent an email to the offices of both Massachusetts Senators asking how one goes about renouncing one's US Citizenship.
    Well, you can do that, but then you'll need a green card to work here. Or you can be an illegal immigrant, that'd be an interesting twist.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Well for starters, I'm not an illiterate **** who fails to notice that nothing in Article I, Section 8 says you can make citizens buy something just for living and breathing in the United States.
    Is the government forcing you to buy a house because you get a deduction on your taxes for it? Nope.

    Why is it any different? You pay less taxes if you own a house, you pay less taxes if you have insurance. You're claim that they are forcing you to buy something, when you clearly don't have to, is ridiculous.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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