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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I already acknowledged it would be paid for in large part by individuals making over $200K and joint filers making over 250K.

    Oh ... and those income levels are NET.
    Dude, really? The only people paying the tax are those that can't afford healthcare premiums. That ain't folks making over 200k a year.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ummm ... so far, you have failed miserably proving my taxes are going up.
    and he'll continue to fail, unless he has knowledge of your personal finances.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, upholding the individual mandate under Congress' right to impose a tax doesn't make the individual mandate a tax? Dude, really....are you that desperate? And here I though you a thinker....

    btw...that article was in May...previous to SCOTUS' decision.
    Straw men arguments are not good arguments, Hint: I never claimed it was not a tax.

    So you are saying the SCOTUS ruling added taxes? Funny, I was unaware of that. The article did mention the penalty and the amount.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    No. Not much. You keep your head in the sand much?
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    The supreme court has undone the Constitution in one decision. So we have to fight this every single day. Every day we need to strip away some portion of the Obama Health Care Taxes. Every day. Every single thing that occurs between now and the election must go toward the destruction of the democrats and their evil law.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    and he'll continue to fail, unless he has knowledge of your personal finances.

    Levels of income don't matter to Obamacare...

    ObamaCARE is now officially known as ObamaTAX. Everyone’s taxes will go up now thanks to the SCOTUS holding up ObamaCARE, and deeming the mandate a tax. If you earn $10,000 per year or $200,000 your taxes are going up in at least 12 different ways.
    At least seven of these taxes directly affect health consumers regardless of income, such as the individual mandate to buy insurance, the employer mandate, the tanning tax, and limits and penalties on health savings accounts. In addition, Republicans argue that the tax impact of the law should include indirect taxes, such as the annual taxes on the health care sector that will be passed on to consumers.

    Generally, a single person making $30,000 or more will have to pay a 2.5 percent penalty if they do not carry health insurance. A person making less than $30,000 will have to pay $695. This penalty/tax is found in Section 1501 of the bill for “requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage.

    The government will also mandate that employers provide health insurance for their employees. This mandate would include small businesses with revenues below $250,000 per year. If the employer does not provide health insurance, the business will have to pay a tax of $750 for each full-time employee. For the employer who requires a waiting period of 30-to-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee and $600 per employee if the business takes longer than 60 days to comply. This is found in Section 1513 of the bill for “shared responsibility for employers.”

    Under the new law, Americans would not be able to use pre-tax dollars from health savings accounts (HSA), flexible spending accounts (FSA), or health reimbursements accounts (HRA) to buy over-the-counter non-prescription medicines. This measure takes effect in 2011 and is supposed to bring in $5 billion dollars. This is found in Section 9003 of the law, under “Distributions for medicine qualified only if for prescribed drug or insulin.”

    Further, the law increases the tax from 10 percent to 20 percent for non-medical early withdrawals from a health savings account for those under the age of 65. This measure takes effect in 2011 and is estimated to increase revenues by $1.3 billion. This is under Section 9004, “Increase in additional tax on distributions from HSAs and Archer MSAs not used for qualified medical expenses.”

    The law also imposes a 40-percent tax on high-cost insurance plans reaching $10,200, but exempts union members unless the cost of their plan reaches $27,500. This is called the “Cadillac tax.” This tax is actually on the insurer. This goes into effect in 2018 and is estimated to raise $32 billion in revenue.

    There is also a tax on insured and self-insured health plans for a patient-centered outcomes research trust fund. Boustany called this a slush fund for the Department of Health and Human Services to dole out grants.

    At least 12 new taxes in ObamaCARE for people earning under $200,000 PER YEAR : Fire Andrea Mitchell!
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Come on Redress read the opinion...That is old news............Since Justice Roberts designated the payment a tax today what was said before does not matter...........Today it is the biggest tax to the middle class in the history of this country.......That is how we will pay for Obamacare on the backs of the middle class..........
    Reality starts today? Really? Can you show me what new taxes are not mentioned in the article? And why do you never source your claims?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Dude, really? The only people paying the tax are those that can't afford healthcare premiums. That ain't folks making over 200k a year.

    Listen to your own rhetoric.
    that just the mandate... there are 21 other tax increases within obamacare .
    most will be felt by everyone( directly or indirectly).... and a few that are only for the rich.

    the mandate "tax" will be primarily born by the middle class ( the poor get free stuff, the rich can afford it and probably have it already, the middle class will be stuck with the decision).


    while this is not the largest tax increase in history ( as some pundits are saying).. it's in the top 5... it's a substantial overall tax increase.
    the upcoming campaigns will surely joust over it

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is that so?....

    The individual mandate isn’t Obamacare’s only unconstitutional provision, or even its most unconstitutional provision. That distinction belongs to the Independent Payment Advisory Board. A heretofore unreported feature of this super-legislature makes it even more authoritarian and dangerous than anyone knew.

    IPAB consists of up to 15 unelected government “experts.” Its stated purpose is to restrain Medicare spending. If projected spending exceeds certain targets, Obamacare requires IPAB to issue “legislative proposals” to reduce future spending. Those proposals could include drastic cuts that jeopardize seniors’ access to care, leading some critics to label IPAB a “death panel.”

    But the really dangerous part is that these are not mere “proposals.” Obamacare requires the secretary of Health and Human Services to implement them — which means they become law automatically — unless Congress takes certain steps to head them off. Congress may replace the Board’s proposal with its own cuts, at least initially. But Obamacare requires a three-fifths vote in the Senate to pass any replacement that spends more than the Board’s proposal. In other words, to override IPAB’s proposal completely, opponents must assemble a simple majority in the House and a three-fifths majority in the Senate and the president’s signature.

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    That makes IPAB more than an advisory board. It’s a super-legislature whose members are more powerful than members of Congress. If eight members of Congress propose a bill, all that’s necessary to block it is a majority of either chamber, or one-third of either chamber plus the president.
    Worse, Obamacare forbids Congress to repeal IPAB outside of a brief window in the year 2017 — and even then requires a three-fifths supermajority in both chambers plus a presidential signature. Under Obamacare, after 2017 Congress could repeal Medicare, but not the board it created to run Medicare. Congress and the states could repeal the Bill of Rights — but not IPAB.

    IPAB, Obamacare
    Still lyin' I see.
    The liars are the righties who are still shrieking about "death panels" ...

    Palin revives 'death panels' claim ahead of Supreme Court decision

    "Though I was called a liar for calling it like it is, many of these accusers finally saw that Obamacare did in fact create a panel of faceless bureaucrats who have the power to make life and death decisions about health care funding," she wrote Monday.

    But Palin's initial comments make no mention of the IPAB. At the time, she referred to a proposal in the House's healthcare bill to have Medicare reimburse doctors for discussing end-of-life planning with their elderly patients.

    The House bill did not include the IPAB at all, and in the wake of Palin's remarks, end-of-life planning was axed from the Senate bill that Obama ultimately signed.


    Ouch! That one's gonna leave a mark.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Straw men arguments are not good arguments, Hint: I never claimed it was not a tax.

    So you are saying the SCOTUS ruling added taxes? Funny, I was unaware of that. The article did mention the penalty and the amount.
    If you never claimed it was not a tax, how is my claiming it is a tax a straw-man?


    Dude, really. You can do better.

    The SCOTUS ruling did not add a tax, it defined the Obamacare individual mandate a TAX despite the Obama administration's vehement promise to provide universal healthcare without additional taxes. This has been proven to be a lie. If it were not a lie, the Obama administration would have pledged to rewrite the law following the SCOTUS decision in their effort to avoid additional taxes, which of course, they did not do.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you are saying the SCOTUS ruling added taxes? Funny, I was unaware of that.
    No, Obama leveled the biggest tax in history....But nice try at re wording the truth, and so close to the decision too....points for instant dishonesty.
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