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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Are you okay with the government Death Panels that come with this health care takeover?
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Syrian mountains. You're welcome
    I believe something could be said here about not accepting reality as an answer . . . . . .
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Jan. 1st, 2013 the tax increase on the rich takes effect.... 2 tax increases actually... both medicare surtaxes.
    a 3.8% increase on investment income.. and a .9% increase on earned income.

    google it if you think i'm full of it.
    I already acknowledged it would be paid for in large part by individuals making over $200K and joint filers making over 250K.

    Oh ... and those income levels are NET.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Drama Queen much?
    No. Not much. You keep your head in the sand much?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    you missed the 15k new IRS agents authorized by Obamacare, right?

    Cova yo head, yo.
    Ummm ... so far, you have failed miserably proving my taxes are going up.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Are you okay with the government Death Panels that come with this health care takeover?
    More rightie lies.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Syrian mountains. You're welcome
    You're saying Bush invaded the wrong country????


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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    You should send your money to Republicans running for Congress, but not Mitt "RomneyCare" Romney.
    One thing about Romeny is...he ain't stupid. He represents those that pay him. If they want it, they get it....if they don't they don't. Obama thinks he knows better than you or I, so he gives us what's good for us....whether we know it or not.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    More rightie lies.

    Is that so?....

    The individual mandate isn’t Obamacare’s only unconstitutional provision, or even its most unconstitutional provision. That distinction belongs to the Independent Payment Advisory Board. A heretofore unreported feature of this super-legislature makes it even more authoritarian and dangerous than anyone knew.

    IPAB consists of up to 15 unelected government “experts.” Its stated purpose is to restrain Medicare spending. If projected spending exceeds certain targets, Obamacare requires IPAB to issue “legislative proposals” to reduce future spending. Those proposals could include drastic cuts that jeopardize seniors’ access to care, leading some critics to label IPAB a “death panel.”

    But the really dangerous part is that these are not mere “proposals.” Obamacare requires the secretary of Health and Human Services to implement them — which means they become law automatically — unless Congress takes certain steps to head them off. Congress may replace the Board’s proposal with its own cuts, at least initially. But Obamacare requires a three-fifths vote in the Senate to pass any replacement that spends more than the Board’s proposal. In other words, to override IPAB’s proposal completely, opponents must assemble a simple majority in the House and a three-fifths majority in the Senate and the president’s signature.

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    That makes IPAB more than an advisory board. It’s a super-legislature whose members are more powerful than members of Congress. If eight members of Congress propose a bill, all that’s necessary to block it is a majority of either chamber, or one-third of either chamber plus the president.
    Worse, Obamacare forbids Congress to repeal IPAB outside of a brief window in the year 2017 — and even then requires a three-fifths supermajority in both chambers plus a presidential signature. Under Obamacare, after 2017 Congress could repeal Medicare, but not the board it created to run Medicare. Congress and the states could repeal the Bill of Rights — but not IPAB.

    IPAB, Obamacare
    Still lyin' I see.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ummm ... so far, you have failed miserably proving my taxes are going up.
    How can I prove it until they do? That won't happen until the next cycle, and even worse the one after that. But you go ahead and pretend it ain't gonna happen.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    More rightie lies.
    Rightie lies. That's funny.


    Obamacare survived the SCOTUS because of congress' right to tax....but it still ain't a tax, eh?
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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