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Thread: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Head. Sand. Do it.
    If I'm the one who's head belongs in the sand, how come you're the one who failed miserably to prove your assertion that my taxes are going up by sending me on a wild goose chase to www.ins.gov?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    OMG! A family of three with the subsidy making $24,352 will have to pay $3,967 per year. That's $330 a month for a family of three making less than $25,000 a year. The Democrats losses in November will be such they will walk the political wilderness for at least 3 generations!
    Think about when the payments begin. The Democrats have crafted a trap. The hard parts will begin after the election. Does anyone disagree?

    This is going to take one helluva hard fight. We have to defeat every politician who voted for this. We must sweep the Senate clean, we have to get rid of speaker Boehner and put in a real leader in the House. We need to strip away provisions by adding language to every single bill that leaves the House. We need to begin today. We need to fight every single day until the election. We cannot let this stand.

    And then we need to get rid of a few Supreme Court Justices. Starting with the chief justice...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    there's a list of tax increase already in this thread...

    sorry, the federal government doesn't pay for subsidies through those "savings"
    It showed how much I would have to pay for health insurance which is less than I'm paying now. Does that mean Obama cut taxes?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well that F'ing does it. I guess I really am going to have to send money to Romney.
    You are going to send money to the guy who created RomneyCare?

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    If I'm the one who's head belongs in the sand, how come you're the one who failed miserably to prove your assertion that my taxes are going up by sending me on a wild goose chase to www.ins.gov?
    It always amazes me when people completely ignore the lead up to something horrendous.

    You watch, brother. Next year is gonna hurt.

    (edit: you do realize that 15,000 new IRS positions were defined in the Obamacare bill right?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Now, this is the best argument I've heard about potential price manipulation by health insurance companies as a direct result of the extra incentive they'd have to price gouge due to the SC upholding ObamaCare as constitutional. But you know what? This just means that those who have argued for a "free market system" truly should rethink who they should hold accountable for price increases.
    Until the mandate, I've actually just blamed the concept of health insurance in general, because by design it removes price discipline from purchasing health care, which naturally
    allows prices to rise over time. But even more than that, I blame the laws requiring doctors to care for anyone who presents with a complaint. It's a service with a cost that we've all been guaranteeing to people as though there's no cost. In effect, it has been our refusal to refuse care that is really to blame.

    By your logic, it is the insurance industry not Congress or the Supreme Court that should be held in contempt should insurance premiums increase exponentially in the wake of the SC ruling.
    Call it collusion. Didn't health industry lobbyists get special invites to the White House to develop the legislation that would soon be regulating them? They all worked together to make this possible, and the average joe gets screwed. Again.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    You are going to send money to the guy who created RomneyCare?
    as opposed to...?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Nah, I'll just file that in the trash bin along with the other "wait for it..." responses I get.
    Jan. 1st, 2013 the tax increase on the rich takes effect.... 2 tax increases actually... both medicare surtaxes.
    a 3.8% increase on investment income.. and a .9% increase on earned income.

    google it if you think i'm full of it.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It always amazes me when people completely ignore the lead up to something horrendous.

    You watch, brother. Next year is gonna hurt.
    Sure ... uh-huh.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Suffice it to say the amendment process to the Constitution is obsolete. Congress can just pass unconstitutional policies and the SCOTUS will rubber stamp it. The Court will find a rationale for Congress to do what it wants, whether via "commerce regulation" or taxing powers or general welfare, we can now be out of compliance with federal law if we opt not to do business with corporations.
    Today is Dependence Day.

    The supreme court has undone the Constitution in one decision. So we have to fight this every single day. Every day we need to strip away some portion of the Obama Health Care Taxes. Every day. Every single thing that occurs between now and the election must go toward the destruction of the democrats and their evil law.

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