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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    if there are no tax increases.. how is the government going to pay for it?...
    it's a couple of hundred billion a year in increased costs.... they gotta pay for it somehow.
    In large part, from the money saved by not having to pay for those using emergency rooms for their primary healthcare.Another big chunk coming from individuals making over $200K per year and families making over $250K.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Imagine my surprise to see there's nothing there which confirms your claim ...


    Ok, ok. Talk to me in a few months.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Fear not...we'll just put it on Sheik Yerbuti's tax tab....
    he might not have one...lots of people don't... he might actually come out way ahead in this scenario.

    I know I do have a tax tab, and I know my taxes are about to increase substantially.... but not everyone is in the same boat as I am.

    good news for liberals, they got their healthcare and their " tax he evil rich people' victories in one fell swoop.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I can't read 132 pages. Has anybody posted the interview obama did where he swore up down and sideways this mandate was not a tax?
    I think this will answer your question...

    GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: ...during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?
    OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here - here's what's happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average - our families - in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I've said is that if you can't afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn't be punished for that.
    That's just piling on. If, on the other hand, we're giving tax credits, we've set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we've driven down the costs, we've done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you've just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that's ...
    STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.
    OBAMA: No. That's not true, George. The - for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I'm not covering all the costs.
    STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy ...
    OBAMA: No, but - but, George, you - you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase. Any ...
    STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's the ...
    OBAMA: What - what - if I - if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that's not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don't want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then ...
    STEPHANOPOULOS: I - I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam Webster's Dictionary: Tax - "a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."
    OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what ...
    STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but ...
    OBAMA: ... what you're saying is ...
    STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.
    OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we're going to have an individual mandate or not, but ...
    STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it's a tax increase?
    OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.


    Read more: Obama on whether individual mandate is a tax: 'It is absolutely not' | Fox News

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Kinda, but no. What it mainly is is people understanding that the law was upheld as a tax and leftists claiming it still isn't a tax.
    Ah yes, of course! Is it a tax or not? Well, it's a choice, so how can a choice be a tax? Except that the choice is rather limited: you either get health insurance or get taxed. Hmm, but was the mandate designed to encourage people to get insurance or just penalize those who don't? Big Government or choice! Let the debate, I mean the hilarity, ensue!
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, ok. Talk to me in a few months.
    Nah, I'll just file that in the trash bin along with the other "wait for it..." responses I get.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Nah, I'll just file that in the trash bin along with the other "wait for it..." responses I get.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    In large part, from the money saved by not having to pay for those using emergency rooms for their primary healthcare.Another big chunk coming from individuals making over $200K per year and families making over $250K.
    there's a list of tax increase already in this thread...

    sorry, the federal government doesn't pay for subsidies through those "savings"

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Ah yes, of course! Is it a tax or not? Well, it's a choice, so how can a choice be a tax? Except that the choice is rather limited: you either get health insurance or get taxed. Hmm, but was the mandate designed to encourage people to get insurance or just penalize those who don't? Big Government or choice! Let the debate, I mean the hilarity, ensue!
    Yeah, yeah...it's a hoot. Except for the fact that the only people it really affects is those that have to choose between eating and health insurance premiums. That ain't me, so eff em, right?!
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Ah yes, of course! Is it a tax or not? Well, it's a choice, so how can a choice be a tax? Except that the choice is rather limited: you either get health insurance or get taxed. Hmm, but was the mandate designed to encourage people to get insurance or just penalize those who don't? Big Government or choice! Let the debate, I mean the hilarity, ensue!
    The only reason it survived the SCOTUS is as a tax....so guess what? It's a tax.
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