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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Typical mindnumbingly stupid far-right comment -- 'the left of the court'... He's a conservative judge and he made a conservative ruling.
    what a fascinating claim. what other "conservatives" sided with him?

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    My take on things based on limited knowledge that may be incorrect.

    The individual mandate was ruled as a tax, and a tax cannot be struck down as unconstitutional until it is implemented (which it has not yet). Obama also campaigned that this was definitely not a tax, which means he was either ignorant of what a tax really is, or he was lying in order to gain support and disprove accusations by Republicans that the mandate was a tax increase.

    Part of the law mandated that states expand Medicaid. I believe that this was struck down as unconstitutional.
    Correct on both accounts.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Then self-defense dictates what happens next.
    Yeah, Okay General Lee.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Well for starters, I'm not an illiterate **** who fails to notice that nothing in Article I, Section 8 says you can make citizens buy something just for living and breathing in the United States.
    I understand that a LOT of people will be upset that they will be required to insure themselves and quit sucking on the gov't tit.

    But at the end of the day, I don't see much of that changing. If they choose to be irresponsible for their health care before the law, I highly doubt they will change anything because some law says they have to.

    And we aren't just going to let them die. Somehow or another, we'll still get stuck with their medical bills.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The main benefit of the Act is to provide subsidies to working people who can't afford to buy it on their own and who don't get it through their employer. That is what extends insurance to 30 million people who don't have it.
    The main problem with the act is that it's going to take additional monies from MY POCKET to pay for that subsidy.... for people who I don't believe deserve it in the first place.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Are you going to round us up and force us into exile. It's your country now...not ours.
    LOL....you are taking this really hard. Are you saying you have no health insurance?
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    He's a liar- what else would you expect?
    the relevant portion:

    STEPHANOPOULOS: …during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?

    OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here — here’s what’s happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I’ve said is that if you can’t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn’t be punished for that. That’s just piling on. If, on the other hand, we’re giving tax credits, we’ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we’ve driven down the costs, we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you’ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that’s…

    STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it’s still a tax increase.

    OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I’m not covering all the costs.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy…

    OBAMA: No, but — but, George, you — you can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Your president stated that the Mandate wasn't a tax before the Act was passed.
    I would agree that it isn't a tax. It's a tax PENALTY on anyone who violates the Act.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    We cannot afford a grossly incompetent, functionally illiterate body in charge of upholding the rule of law as written. They are negligent in their duty, and there is no little hope of remedy. The system is broken beyond repair.
    When we have a grossly incompetent, functionally illiterate population who are easily led, that is what we end up with.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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