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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You can call it zippity do da for all I care. What it is is a tax penalty. You only pay the penalty if you fail to comply with the law. It's permissible under the constitution because tax penalties are within Congress' taxing power.
    Perhaps you should read the transcript as well, you're tripping all over yourself. Again, it was upheld narrowly under congress' power to tax, so we already knew that. The issue at hand was that democrats really, really don't want it being called a tax.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How's that for semantics? Whether you call it a tx or a penalty, it does exactly the same thing. No one has ever tried to hide what it does.
    then why did Obama make sure to say this wasn't a tax?... why was he being deceitful?



    I wonder if anyone has a summary of all the tax increases contained in Obamacare...

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    Haha. I marched in the local Gay Pride Parade on June 3rd in support of LGBTQ people. I am hardly a pitchfork type. What I am is someone who obeys the rules of the political culture in order to achieve political advantage. That's as American as apple pie.
    Um..no...the reference was to your earlier comment about riling up the populace, but it isn't happening with the combo racism/agism angle....and I doubt anyone believes the whole " I love gays" jive.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Which 2/3? and What of the lower class?
    Lower class up to 200 % poverty level: 31 %

    Poverty level for single person: 11,170
    Poverty for family of 4: 23,050
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How's that for semantics? Whether you call it a tx or a penalty, it does exactly the same thing. No one has ever tried to hide what it does.
    And yet it wasn't upheld under the Congress' right to impose a penalty....was it?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What's kind of sad is that you don't know the difference between a tax credit and a deduction! l:

    If you don't owe any tax and you have a CREDIT, the treasury cuts you a check in the amount of the credit.
    What's sad is that you don't see the problem with that, and that you've failed to understand what has been posted - that you have to pay for the policy first, BEFORE (as much as a year in advance) you get the credit. And then, if you happen to get a small raise in income during that waiting year where your family is failing to make their rental payments - you don't get that credit (or it is reduced).

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Lower class up to 200 % poverty level: 31 %

    Poverty level for single person: 11,170
    Poverty for family of 4: 23,050
    And they buy insurance or get the tax.


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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    then why did Obama make sure to say this wasn't a tax?... why was he being deceitful?



    I wonder if anyone has a summary of all the tax increases contained in Obamacare...
    Here are some....

    A new 10 percent excise tax on indoor tanning services that takes effect for services provided after June 30, 2010.
    • Giving small firms tax credits as incentives to provide coverage, starting this year. Employers with 10 or fewer workers and average annual wages of less than $25,000 can receive a credit of up to 35 percent of their health premium costs each year through 2013. The credit is phased out for firms larger than that and disappears completely if a company has more than 25 employees or average annual wages of $50,000 or more. Beginning in 2014, small firms that sign up with one of the health exchanges to be created can receive a credit of up to 50 percent of their costs.
    • A requirement that businesses include the value of the health care benefits they provide to employees on W-2s, beginning with W-2s for 2011.
    • Elimination, after this year, of a deduction employers now take for providing Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage to their retirees to the extent that the federal government subsidizes the coverage. This will not take effect until 2013.
    • Doubling the penalty for nonqualified distributions from health savings accounts, to 20 percent, beginning in 2011.
    • A limit on the amount that employees can contribute to health care flexible spending accounts to $2,500 a year. Under the House package of changes, the cap won’t take effect until 2013.
    • A ban on using funds from flexible spending accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts for the cost of over-the-counter medications, starting in 2011.
    • Imposing a 0.9 percent Medicare surtax on wages of single taxpayers earning more than $200,000 a year and couples earning over $250,000, starting in 2013. In addition, the House’s package of modifications would levy a special 3.8 percent Medicare tax on the unearned income of those taxpayers. The House defines unearned income as interest, dividends, capital gains, annuities, royalties and rents. Tax-exempt interest would not be included, nor would income from retirement accounts.
    • A hike in the 7.5 percent floor on itemized deductions for medical expenses to 10 percent, beginning in 2013. But taxpayers age 65 and over are exempt from the cutback through 2016.
    • A new 40 percent excise tax, beginning in 2013, on high-cost health plans, defined as those providing coverage in excess of $8,500 for individuals and $23,000 for families. The House’s package of modifications includes higher threshold amounts and an initial effective date of 2018.
    • A new tax on individuals who don’t obtain adequate health coverage by 2014. The tax is be phased in over three years, starting at the greater of $95, or 0.5 percent of income, in 2014, and rising to the greater of $750, or 2 percent of income, in 2016. The House passed companion measure would modify this provision so that a person without coverage in 2014 would pay the greater of $95, or 1 percent of income, and in 2016 would pay the greater of $695, or 2.5 percent of income.
    • Providing a refundable tax credit, once the individual mandate takes effect in 2014, to help low-income folks purchase coverage. To be eligible, a person’s household income must be between 100 percent and 400 percent of the federal poverty level, generally around $11,000 to $44,000 for singles and $22,000 to $88,000 for families.
    • A nondeductible fee charged to businesses with 50 or more employees if the firms fail to offer adequate coverage. The fee will equal $750 times the number of workers in the firm, and is slated to go into effect in 2014. The House’s package of modifications would increase that fee to $2,000 times the number of employees, though it would not count the first 30 workers in that calculation.

    Health care plan has hearty list of taxes | NJ.com
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Democrats desperately want peace and acquiesence after their victory. But the political culture in America dictates that there can be no peace.

    White seniors must now have it hammered home that their Medicare health care is now going to deteriorate. Their emotions will be whipped into a fury just like the Democrats whipped them into a fury when Bush tried to reform Social Security. That's what America's political culture dictates.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL....those contradictions were way beyond anything I could produce.

    Either you are paying for your private ins....or you are not. Which is it?


    Right. Thanks for trying . . . but fail. But don't let me stop you from .

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