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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    To answer your question - in the oral arguments before the court. That's where they argued the mandate should be allowed as they have the power to tax.
    evidence please.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    "But Ginsburg said the mandate should have been supported under the commerce clause. She also said the entire law should have been upheld as written, without forcing any changes in the Medicaid provision."

    Ginsburg in the majority, but disagrees with health care reasoning - BostonHerald.com

    I guess she believes that the gov can do anything.
    Why was she picked again...

    What's the point of having a constitutional law, with people like her?
    She should be impeached for that little anti constitutional speech she gave abroad. Before people say I'm full of it, she took an oath to uphold and to date has not only spoken ill of it(intent) but over her tenure has done everything but use the constitution in rulings.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    when did Obama EVER call the penalty, a tax?

    when did they argue before the SCOTUS, that its a tax and they have the power to tax?
    Good lord, dude. The court can not rule on an argument that wasn't made.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Good lord, dude. The court can not rule on an argument that wasn't made.
    still waiting for evidence.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Just heard on the radio that the Romney campaign has received $1.5 million in contributions today.

    Think it has anything to do with the SCOTUS announcement on Obamacare?



    I know the outgoing mail tomorrow is going to have a large check from me to Romney.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    SCOTUS chose to call it a tax, not Obama.

    its not really a tax, as taxes are not supposed to be punitive. SCOTUS has quite an imagination.
    Married couples get tax benefits that I do not receive, as do people who have children. I don't see myself as being "punished" by these "extra taxes."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not what Roberts said about it as I understand. Have not had a chance to read the decision yet so that is hearsay.
    He pretty much said the government can tax for anything. This means even when there is no legal authority the government can tax. So what's the point of them not having power if they can coerce you throw monetary thuggery?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you are claiming the middle class is uninsured?
    Of course. If the middle class were insured, there would be little need for the individual mandate.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    when did Obama EVER call the penalty, a tax?

    when did they argue before the SCOTUS, that its a tax and they have the power to tax?
    He said the Mandate wasn't a tax. Then his lawyers went to court and argued that the Mandate wasn't a tax. Obama wanted it both ways.

    What's important now is to salvage what conservatives can from this liberal victory. Under the terms of existing American political culture the smart political thing is to fan the flames of resentment and grievance especially among white seniors. Doing so will result in some modicum of political advantage. This is the only thing that matters in America any more. I wish this weren't true, but I can't change reality. So it makes sense to play the game no matter what the consequences to the country. I know this will hurt the country, but both sides do this. It doesn't make sense to disarm unilaterally.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    when did Obama EVER call the penalty, a tax?

    when did they argue before the SCOTUS, that its a tax and they have the power to tax?

    See post 1102.

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