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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Political salesmanship should have no bearing on the actual constitutional issues. And today, fortunately, that philosophy seems to have won the day.
    I agree with you that should be the case in a perfect world. But that ignores the state of American political culture. There can be no peace between us. The political culture makes that impossible. Your side won a great victory today. But American politcal culture now requires that the well be so poisoned that your victory becomes pyrrhic. Neither one of us made these rules. But we can't change the rules. This death spiral can't be prevented.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Question: if you are self-employed, how does ACA help you pay for health insurance?
    If your income is less than 400% of the federal poverty line, you will receive subsidies to help you purchase it. States will set up health insurance exchanges to help you shop around for the best price (and more importantly, foster competition among health insurance companies). Additionally, health insurers will be required to spend at least 80-85% of revenue on health care...if the insurer spend less, all customers will be reimbursed for the difference.

    And an underappreciated aspect of the law: It chips away at the link between employers and health insurance by taxing "Cadillac plans." It's not enough to completely break the link, but it at least opens the door to future congresses expanding upon this. This will be very good for self-employed people, students, and anyone else who doesn't get insurance through their employer.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the penalty is in the form of a fee....but SCOTUS chose to call it a tax.

    that's their choice.
    And Obama lied when he said that the Mandate wasn't a tax. He lied when he said he hadn't increased taxes.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I was talking about what Roberts actually said. Where you then talking about some other thing that had nothing to do with my comment you quoted?
    I didn't quote a comment. I will now though, as a result of your impetuosity:


    “The question is not whether that is the most natural interpretation of the mandate, but only whether it is a ‘fairly possible’ one . . . . As we have explained, ‘every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality.’ . . . . The Government asks us to interpret the mandate as imposing a tax, if it would otherwise violate the Constitution. Granting the Act the full measure of deference owed to federal statutes, it can be so read, for the reasons set forth below . . . .
    “The Affordable Care Act’s requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax. Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness.”

    Health care decision: Key quotes from the ruling - Tim Grieve - POLITICO.com

    edit: you said "my quote" and I read "a quote." Regardless, the quote provided proves your lack of understanding.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Just heard on the radio that the Romney campaign has received $1.5 million in contributions today.

    Think it has anything to do with the SCOTUS announcement on Obamacare?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you are claiming the middle class is uninsured?

    This is a tax on everyone, not just the uninsured.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If your income is less than 400% of the federal poverty line, you will receive subsidies to help you purchase it....
    how much??????

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is a tax on everyone, not just the uninsured.
    that is incorrect.

    I have health-insurance, so I won't be paying any penalty each year.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    And Obama lied when he said that the Mandate wasn't a tax. He lied when he said he hadn't increased taxes.
    Obama didn't call it a tax. SCOTUS chose to call it a tax today, which was not Obama's decision.

    you hold Obama responsible for SCOTUS' decision today?

    its not really a tax, as taxes are not punitive.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Or could he have heard the Conservatives call to not legislate from the bench? We'll never know, sigh.
    America has become a Kingdom of Lies. The actual truth no longer matters. The political culture demands that your side pay a price for its victory. The contention that Roberts was intimidated is useful according to the terms of American political culture. Neither of us made these rules, but we can't deny that the political culture now demands that any ammunition available be used to obtain partisn advantage. Both Democrats and Republicans do it.

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