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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Which means Obamacare raised taxes. New taxes equals raised taxes....on the lower and low middle class.
    Thank you.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    So if I go over to your house, take all your money and credit cards, and then go on a spending spree, it's not theft if I promise I'll do something nice for you return?
    No one is doing anything like that. That's why I call what you're saying hyperbole. It is simply not what is happening. I think you'll eventually be able to see that.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I can tell you the bolded part at least is a load of manure. Again, for the third time, my premiums have been raised three times since the passage of Obamacare.
    my premiums have been raised every year since i started working in 1999.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    "But Ginsburg said the mandate should have been supported under the commerce clause. She also said the entire law should have been upheld as written, without forcing any changes in the Medicaid provision."

    Ginsburg in the majority, but disagrees with health care reasoning - BostonHerald.com

    I guess she believes that the gov can do anything.
    Why was she picked again...

    What's the point of having a constitutional law, with people like her?
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Those "death panels" are a myth made up by idiots. Don't throw your hat in with them.
    No, they aren't. "Best practices as determined by the director of DHS" means that, they can decide what risk classes won't get care, and unlike insurance companies, there is no appeals process or physician's release. When your insurance carrier decides they aren't liable they have an entire department dedicated to hearing from agents and clients as to why they just might be, the DHHS does not have such a department.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    my premiums have been raised every year since i started working in 1999.
    I'm still asking who I should blame for that? I didn't know health care reform was retroactive, or that some time travel thingie was going on.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only in the broadest of interpretations. If everyone buys insurance, there is no tax.
    The individual mandate is only constitutional due to congress' right to tax. It becomes "buy insurance or get taxed". It is a disproportionate tax that will be levied against those of us at lower income levels. Obamacare has imposed a new tax on low to low middle class Americans.
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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Really? I say we wait to see how this govt run program is gonna help people. As of the signing, those older Americans on Medicare, which they've paid into for years and years, have been the first thrown under the bus, at the tune of $500 Million in cuts. I guess our grandparants will get used to paying more for HC and eating more cat food.


    But hey, that's good news to you.
    Um, that spread out over a decade, will be countered by cost containment and other means.

    I thought you would WANT less Medicare in the US......who knew you are for it?
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    OK. But I just wanted to make sure you weren't expecting something else. However, I think he was always speaking of the working poor, who are most needy and who likely will be helped the most.
    Ya know, I might buy into to "helping the needy" shill, except the govt is inept. They can't pass a budget. They can't balance a budget. They can't tighten the old spending belt. So please forgive me for saying phooey.

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    Re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So. This has now been extended to mean that taxes may be punitive (something new) to punish private transactional inactivity.
    That is not what Roberts said about it as I understand. Have not had a chance to read the decision yet so that is hearsay.
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