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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The main benefit of the Act is to provide subsidies to working people who can't afford to buy it on their own and who don't get it through their employer. That is what extends insurance to 30 million people who don't have it.
    No, it just taxes those that don't buy their own insurance.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    from dictionary.com

    definition of tax: a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.

    SCOTUS claims that the gov't forcing us to pay sums of money because we do not buy health-insurance, that this sum of money can be reasonably considered a tax. The twisted part is, I can see that argument. It is to support specific services, though not related to the cause of the taxation. It is levied upon property. Strictly speaking, this is a tax.

    This is a horrendous law, IMO. If instead it were a single-payer system I wouldn't be pulling my hair out about - though I wouldn't be happy even a little. But I am pulling my hair out over this law. I pin the blame of this law passing entirely on the people of the United States. Not SCOTUS.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    What is it about Libertarians that you all think you're more of a Constitutional scholar than the Supreme Court? These people have studied this sort of thing their whole lives...
    Well for starters, I'm not an illiterate **** who fails to notice that nothing in Article I, Section 8 says you can make citizens buy something just for living and breathing in the United States.


    We cannot afford a grossly incompetent, functionally illiterate body in charge of upholding the rule of law as written. They are negligent in their duty, and there is no little hope of remedy. The system is broken beyond repair.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's only a tax if someone refuses to comply with the law.
    No, by upholding it as a tax it becomes "buy insurance or pay the tax" but since medicare was not expanded as the law required, the tax does not extend coverage to the people being taxed disproportionatly.
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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, it just taxs those that don't but their own insurance.
    and gives people massive subsidies to get them hooked and used to the notion of government providing them with healthcare. Within that subsidy structure, it should be pointed out, is a massive marriage penalty, which oughta just make our problems just a whole lot better.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    You're going to re-write the constitution to where the government can't tax people at all? That's ridiculous.
    Nope. Just to the point where the Rights of the People are more properly spelled out, and the Limits on the Federal Government are MUCH MORE clearly laid out, and the punishment for violation of those limits is made much more final.

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    Well to be fair he doesn't believe in freedom at all let alone taxes. He has stated on many occasions he would resort to mass killings and mass deportations to get his way.
    You're right that I don't believe in Freedom, and actions like this show you exactly why. Too many stupid people, unworthy of the air they breathe, nevermind the flesh they inhabit. Including many (if not all) the members of the three branches of the US Government at this point.

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Now the states have an opt-out clause, correct?

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    re: SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Well, this is exciting.
    Yeah- like a raging fire.
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