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Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

Jimmy is right in his stance, but we've been a country that couldn't speak with moral authority for a long time considering the sheer amount of voyages our military has taken into foreign lands doing all kinds of things. Whether or not Americans want to admit it is up to their ability to regulate some things like patriotism, nationalism, exceptionalism, and tribalism. Reading realistic history helps too.

It is time for a change.
 
If you were familiar with history, then you would have long come to grips with the fact that no great country can speak with complete moral authority. Smaller wealthy countries (Sweden a good example) whose perceived global or even regional responsibilities are necessarily selected may presume to act with moral authority, again, as they perceive it. The problem there is that they have little power and are seldom in the position to make the profound decisions that are incumbent on great powers.

That is realistic history as regards this subject. Carter was an annoying and unsuccessful president. Now, he is simply annoying.
 
whysoserious said:
Yeah, but this is Americah! No one criticizes Americah!
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Fascinating how when conservatives err, it is "conservatives" who have sinned... but when liberals do it, "America" is at fault...
 
cpwill said:
Fascinating how when conservatives err, it is "conservatives" who have sinned... but when liberals do it, "America" is at fault...
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I readily admit Jimmy Carter made a mess of the middle east and set the stage for what happened on 911 along with the ineptness of the do nothing of 8 yrs of Bill Clinton who did nothing after many many attacks on america and americas interest by terrorists...The Cole...The Riad barracks in Saudi Arabia the First world trade center attack...just to name a few...Bill Clintons reaction too all those attacks were to bomb and aspirin factory in iraq and send troops and money to Eastern Europe. Clinton allowed alqueda to grow untethered.
 
Well, more to the point, Carter lending his legitimacy to dictators and 9/11 truthers kind of obviates the impact of this critique.

But yes, Clinton was offered OBL's head on a platter, and turned it down.

Though it is fun to see so many folks who thought Carter Was A Human Rights Prophet when he was taking on Bush now either pretend like this doesn't matter, or blame "America".
 
Jango said:
Jimmy is right in his stance, but we've been a country that couldn't speak with moral authority for a long time considering the sheer amount of voyages our military has taken into foreign lands doing all kinds of things. Whether or not Americans want to admit it is up to their ability to regulate some things like patriotism, nationalism, exceptionalism, and tribalism. Reading realistic history helps too.

It is time for a change.
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Well who can speak with moral authority?
 
American said:
Look, I don't like Obama in the least. But if you agree with Carter, then Obama has committed human rights violations. Frankly, I don't think that's the case, other opinions differ.
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I’m sorry … I was talking about Carter being a failed president … and failing now .. . I don’t like Obama either, but think is use of drones is one good thing he is doing.
 
The Barbarian said:
I’m sorry … I was talking about Carter being a failed president … and failing now .. . I don’t like Obama either, but think is use of drones is one good thing he is doing.
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Not a fan of the rule of law huh?
 
ecofarm said:
Would you consider people to be part of their diet? No. In this sense, we can say that bears don't eat people.
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Would you consider a chimpanzee a normal sexual partner for a human being? No. In this sense, we can say that bestiality isn't real.
 
poweRob said:
Not a fan of the rule of law huh?
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No, of course not, happy? Your kindergarten class hasn't taught you how to debate very well.
 
(in late)
That's funny - Bush did most of those things, as well: waterboarding, unwarrented strikes that killed civilians, spying on citizens via unwarrented phone tapping, etc

So does he condemn Bush, too?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
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That's funny - Bush did most of those things, as well: waterboarding, unwarrented strikes that killed civilians, spying on citizens via unwarrented phone tapping, etc

So does he condemn Bush, too?
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OMG, you are talking about Bush </right wing talking point>
 
American said:
No, of course not, happy? Your kindergarten class hasn't taught you how to debate very well.
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Seeing how I was asking someone else that in response to their writing and you decided to jump in and play his knight and shining armor... are you freely admitting that you are opposed to being a nation abiding by the rule of law? Not that it would surprise me if that's your position. Just want to be clear on where you stand.
 
cpwill said:
Fascinating how when conservatives err, it is "conservatives" who have sinned... but when liberals do it, "America" is at fault...
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What? Please form your argument better as I do not understand what you are complaining about. As sad as it is to admit, we are one country so we are all held accountable for our actions globally.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Doesn't have anything to do with who the president is, sorry partisan.
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This is funny because anyone who knows anything about how the government works knows this is all about who the president is. The President is Commander in Chief and as such, makes the call when it comes to such issues.
 
washunut said:
I disagree with Carter on many things. However on this issue, I am not sure how we can not agree that America should not be able to fly drones anywhere in the world and kill folks because we believe they might some day pose a threat.
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I don't think we should either, but if its not drones, it'd just be something else.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Doesn't have anything to do with who the president is, sorry partisan.
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GPS_Flex said:
This is funny because anyone who knows anything about how the government works knows this is all about who the president is. The President is Commander in Chief and as such, makes the call when it comes to such issues.
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His point, with which I am in agreement, is that the political party of the president has no bearing in this discussion. At issue is whether or not it is legally and/or morally acceptable to murder people remotely with marginal verification of identity (or even with verification).
 
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Yeah, good luck with the top candidates this year. I wonder if Robama or Obomney will get elected?
 
We need a miracle.
 
This is a total "well, duh." Of course we're human rights violators of the worst kind. We murder innocent people in Pakistan and Yemen via drone strikes. Then we wonder why al Quaida membership grows. There keep being more America-hating terrorists because we're also terrorists. Think of it this way. What if another nation flew drones in American airspace and one of them shot and killed your mother or your father or your daughter or your son. What would you think of that country? Would you consider such an action an act of war against the United States? Would you consider it an act of terrorism?

I mean, come on. These American terrorist strikes must STOP! It was wrong when the Republicans did them and it's wrong now that Obama's doing them. So with Obama doing something so awful, at least the opposition party is outraged and making an issue of it, right? WRONG! They're up in arms over his helping people to get health care and about the growing debt (when they refuse to let reckless tax cuts expire that would help). Both parties support American terrorism. That's frustrating because it makes it impossible to vote it out.

One more thing. Which presidency would you consider a failure. The one of a principled man who refused to negotiate with terrorists or the one who traded arms for hostages with a terrorist nation? Carter showed backbone to terrorists, but Reagan caved to them.
 
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