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Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

Hatuey said:
Lol, remembered by whom? People in their 50s? That's how old you'd have to be to even begin to grasp the political climate of the late 70s. Even if this country was made up entirely of 50 year olds, you're probably more likely to find Nixon/Bush as being the worst president than you are of finding Carter. At worst Carter is considered to be mediocre. Something like his predecessor.
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Doubtful, unless of course you have the supremely flawed belief that your opinion is in the majority....

j-mac
 
There are many defenders of Bush and even Nixon, but no defenders of Carter. Hat is willing to call him mediocre; that's probably the best defense Carter will get.
 
j-mac said:
Doubtful, unless of course you have the supremely flawed belief that your opinion is in the majority....

j-mac
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You're starting to bore me with your dishonesty or just plain ignorance of the facts:

Carter CONSISTENTLY ranks above Bush AND Nixon on scholar opinion polls for worst president:

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As far as public opinion goes:

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2010 Gallup poll
A Gallup poll, taken on November 19–21, 2010, asked Americans to say, based on what they know or remember about the nine most recent former presidents, whether they approve or disapprove of how each handled his job in office.[30]
John F. Kennedy (85% approval/10% disapproval)
Ronald Reagan (74% approval/24% disapproval)
Bill Clinton (69% approval/30% disapproval)
George H. W. Bush (64% approval/34% disapproval)
Gerald Ford (61% approval/26% disapproval)
Jimmy Carter (52% approval/42% disapproval)
Lyndon B. Johnson (49% approval/36% disapproval)
George W. Bush (47% approval/51% disapproval)
Richard Nixon (29% approval/65% disapproval)
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Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Carter is CONSISTENTLY considered to have been a better president BY THE MAJORITY.
 
ecofarm said:
There are many defenders of Bush and even Nixon, but no defenders of Carter. Hat is willing to call him mediocre; that's probably the best defense Carter will get.
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Actually, I said "at worst, he's a mediocre president" - ie - that's the worst you could say about the guy. I wouldn't call him a great and fearless leader, then again - I wouldn't call any president that - however the guy wasn't bad.
 
Jimmy Carter is a heck of a humanitarian. Unfortunately, humanitarians make lousy presidents and political pundits. Jimmy - shut up and build some more houses please.
 
There are many people who will claim that Bush and even Nixon were good presidents. Please, someone claim that Carter was a good president; I think we'll all have a laugh.
 
Hatuey said:
You're starting to bore me with your dishonesty or just plain ignorance of the facts:

Carter CONSISTENTLY ranks above Bush AND Nixon on scholar opinion polls for worst president:

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As far as public opinion goes:

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Carter is CONSISTENTLY considered to have been a better president BY THE MAJORITY.
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In reality everyone knows Carter is the worst and a bigot.. so nice try.. Libs got nothing..
 
megaprogman said:
You are aware that Jimmy Carter has done extensive work in the area of human rights and peace since being president and thus is in a good position to make such a judgement, right?
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Does this mean Jimmy Carter won't be voting for President Obama in November?
 
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Travis007 said:
In reality everyone knows Carter is the worst and a bigot.. so nice try.. Libs got nothing..
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"In reality"? Wth does that even mean? I guess academic polls and public opinion polls aren't taken with real people?
 
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What does 'academic scholars aren't taken with people' mean?
 
Jimmy seems to miss the notion that the people being targeted aren't exactly in the business of advancing human rights. In fact, their very raison d'être is to eliminate them. As such, any consideration for human rights should be taken from a standpoint intelligent enough to recognize the net effect and not just the limited action. In this, Jimmy fails miserably, no doubt because he has become little more than a mouthpiece for those who support him financially.


His attitude is much like that of those who appeased the Nazis in the 30's in that those who are overly concerned with taking action seldom consider the results of not taking them which often times results in a much greater loss of life and human suffering.
 
Hatuey said:
You're starting to bore me with your dishonesty or just plain ignorance of the facts:

Carter CONSISTENTLY ranks above Bush AND Nixon on scholar opinion polls for worst president:

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As far as public opinion goes:

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Carter is CONSISTENTLY considered to have been a better president BY THE MAJORITY.
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Wiki? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Get the ---- outta here! HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!


j-mac
 
So, we've got "mediocre president"! Do I hear "better than average president"?

Going once...
 
Carter isn't breaking any news with this article. We have committed atrocities across the world for a long time now under the term "collateral damage." Innocent civilians are killed and a lot of you think that it is just part of what it takes to "defend freedom."

The last two administrations (Bush and Obama) are responsible for these lives lost. Innocent human beings are killed by our military and some don't even bat an eye to it. Part of life...it is the cruel nature of it. However, the one thought that never crosses their minds is that we can choose to not drop bombs on other countries that pose no threat to our national security. We can choose to not invade the sovereignty of a foreign nation and kill their citizens. We could choose to cherish life rather then spread death.

The real tragedy is people choose to accept killing others in pursuit of false security. They turn a blind eye, and a deaf ear to any other way of thinking. It amazes me at times how closed minded some people are.
 
Hatuey said:
"In reality"? Wth does that even mean? I guess academic polls and public opinion polls aren't taken with real people?
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You nailed it there... thats right. just like how you think the majority of the country is whacked out liberal ..

You Libs have nothing.. all you have is empty BS..
 
ecofarm said:
There are many people who will claim that Bush and even Nixon were good presidents. Please, someone claim that Carter was a good president; I think we'll all have a laugh.
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Nixon was a fine statesman and most of the ire against him is out of convention. He didn't pervert the democratic process so much as he was a victim of the American people's occasional awareness of perversions existing in the democratic process.

George Bush was a pretty bad chief executive because he (1) instituted an ineffective education reform while the rest of the world is pounding our face into the cement on education (2) passed the buck on other important reforms for eight years because they were politically compromising and (3) engineered a war according to the precepts of an obsolete Cold War mentality that soaked up resources that should have been spent on the before mentioned reforms, which would have strengthened us domestically for generations to come. Instead, we're subsiding into a lesser power.

Historians will always track America's decline from the world's sole superpower from Reagan onward, with special emphasis on Reagan and George Bush Jr.
 
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The last two administrations (Bush and Obama) are responsible for these lives lost.
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No, terrorists are responsible. Nice avatar.




Do I hear "better than average president"? Going twice...
 
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ecofarm said:
No, terrorists are responsible. Nice avatar.
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Terrorist were responsible for a lot of innocent lives lost, but we cannot absolve ourselves of that claim either.
 
ecofarm said:
What does 'academic scholars aren't taken with people' mean?
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Didn't edit that properly - it meant to say: I guess academic polls/public opinions aren't taken with real people?
 
AreteCourage said:
Terrorist were responsible for a lot of innocent lives lost, but we cannot absolve ourselves of that claim either.
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Sure we can. We target murderers and they target random civilians. We save more lives than we take and we build freedom.



Someone could go to Demville and say 'hey, how about Carter' and the residents would know the person is a subversive. It's like walking into a Star Wars convention and being all 'hey, how about Jar Jar?'
 
Hatuey said:
"In reality"? Wth does that even mean? I guess academic polls and public opinion polls aren't taken with real people?
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It's the normal partisanship. "If I don't agree with the results of the poll, it's obviously wrong." Show him a poll that shows people disapprove of Obama, and it'll be absolute gospel truth.
 
Travis007 said:
You nailed it there... thats right. just like how you think the majority of the country is whacked out liberal ..
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Actually, I don't think that at all. However your straw man is silly and your contention that public/academic opinion polls aren't taken with real people is laughable at best.

You Libs have nothing.. all you have is empty BS..
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Hahahaha?
 
ecofarm said:
Sure we can. We target murderers and they target random civilians. We save more lives than we take and we build freedom.
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OK....tell that to the people of Iran. The Shah was all about freedom.
 
ecofarm said:
Sure we can. We target murderers and they target random civilians. We save more lives than we take and we build freedom.
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Wow...

We target SUSPECTED murderers...not always known ones. Sometimes we don't even kill the target but rather innocent people. Oh yeah, but we're "building freedom" with bombs. Total nonsense.
 
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