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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Yes, Carter wasn't a good President. That doesn't invalidate his position on this. Especially if he has facts to back up what he is saying. Hell, it's at least worth an investigation.
    The facts are that former President Carter and President Obama have had a pretty long standing disagreement about Obama's "evolving" policies on his "war on terror."

    People seem to forget how Obama's political agenda related to the middle east helped him get elected in 2008 and how it has "evolved" since his election.

    (There's that "E" word again connected to Obama. If we were discussing Romney the word "evolved" would be switched with the phrase "flip-floped.")

    President Obama’s response to the events of 9/11/2001 published on September 19th in the Hyde Park Herald:

    Even as I hope for some measure of peace and comfort to the bereaved families, I must also hope that we as a nation draw some measure of wisdom from this tragedy. Certain immediate lessons are clear, and we must act upon those lessons decisively. We need to step up security at our airports. We must reexamine the effectiveness of our intelligence networks. And we must be resolute in identifying the perpetrators of these heinous acts and dismantling their organizations of destruction.

    We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

    We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad. We will have to be unwavering in opposing bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle Eastern descent. Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.

    Read more How Chicago politics shaped Barack Obama : The New Yorker
    I guess Carter is still feeling "empathy" for terrorists around the world. I state this because of his continued support for the terrorist organization Hamas.

    It seems that President Obama on the other hand has lost his "empathy" for terrorists in the Middle East because in his continued attacks of them, he seems to have forgotten his statement: "that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad."
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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The facts are that former President Carter and President Obama have had a pretty long standing disagreement about Obama's "evolving" policies on his "war on terror."

    People seem to forget how Obama's political agenda related to the middle east helped him get elected in 2008 and how it has "evolved" since his election.

    (There's that "E" word again connected to Obama. If we were discussing Romney the word "evolved" would be switched with the phrase "flip-floped.")



    I guess Carter is still feeling "empathy" for terrorists around the world. I state this because of his continued support for the terrorist organization Hamas.

    It seems that President Obama on the other hand has lost his "empathy" for terrorists in the Middle East because in his continued attacks of them, he seems to have forgotten his statement: "that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad."
    It's easier to be in the passenger's seat than it is to be driving. But I'm not even here to defend Obama so there's that. In fact, I don't think I mentioned him ... Did I? I'm also not sure why you are bringing Romney into this?

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Plenty 'o' personal attacks with little substance. Good posting guys!

    Hey, funny is funny. When you're on a thread like this you need a laugh, IMO.

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    It appears that Chamberlain was much better than Carter. Is anyone gonna bid 'better than average president' on Carter?

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Depends on what you mean by "modern." Between Harding, Hoover and Nixon there's a lot of competition in the 20th Century. Some here say that Roosevelt was the worst ever.
    I dunno, in some respects Roosevelt was a great leader, but lousy policy. Obama is a poor leader AND has lousy policies. I'll give him props for giving it to the Taliban though. But honestly, that's about all I like about Obama. he reminds me of that office manager or supervisor that delegates everything on their plate and then sits in his office drinking coffee and watching the game.. Seriously, he does not lead by example, he delegates leadership and he should not as the president.


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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm not saying that. I'm saying that we propped up the Shah, who was not a democratically elected official, and was not a proponent of individual freedoms.

    Regardless of what's there today, to say that we stand up for freedom and democracy after keeping him in power - especially after we helped him overthrow a democratically elected government - umm...not always.
    Wow, weren't alive then were you. The Shah, for all his faults was indeed a better proponent of individual freedoms than anything that has come after. In fact, the guys running things now are the same fanatics the Shah used to jail for their ****-stirring.

    I went to college with many Iranians in those days. Some were the privileged, rich sort from oil money, but most were average Iranian citizens with the freedom to travel and participate in other cultures. Women were freer than in any other ME nation of the time (except maybe Israel).

    As Clinton said, "perfect is the enemy of good". Say what you want about the Shah, but he was an improvement over what came before, and heads above superior to what they have now.

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Hey, funny is funny. When you're on a thread like this you need a laugh, IMO.
    Might I suggest the "On the Lighter Side" subforum for that, then.
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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    Is there any question that Jimmy Carter has either an agenda or is a loon?

    I'm not sure .. if he is a loon or not .... . but was a failed president ...... and still is failing

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I'm not sure .. if he is a loon or not .... . but was a failed president ...... and still is failing
    Look, I don't like Obama in the least. But if you agree with Carter, then Obama has committed human rights violations. Frankly, I don't think that's the case, other opinions differ.
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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I dunno, in some respects Roosevelt was a great leader, but lousy policy. Obama is a poor leader AND has lousy policies. I'll give him props for giving it to the Taliban though. But honestly, that's about all I like about Obama. he reminds me of that office manager or supervisor that delegates everything on their plate and then sits in his office drinking coffee and watching the game.. Seriously, he does not lead by example, he delegates leadership and he should not as the president.


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    I tend to agree that Obama's not been a very good President. My general opinion is that the last two Presidents have been failures. I simply hope that the next President is not, but given our recent record...Frankly, I can't remember the last time we as Americans voted for somebody rather than against their opponent. Possibly Reagan in '84, but Mondale's campaign looks, in retrospect, like such a cluster**** it would have been harder for Reagan to lose than it was to win. Before that...Kennedy?


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