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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Ummm, the Iranians were released after Carter left- probably because they knew Reagan wouldn't have put up with their ****. Carter was a foreign policy failure.
    Actually, the Carter administration negotiated the release of the hostages which lasted to the end of his term as POTUS. However, they were released just hours after Reagan was sworn in as POTUS so history would acknowledge Reagan rather than Carter as the POTUS at the time of the hostage release. That was the Ayatollah's final "middle finger" salute to Jimmy Carter.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, you need to revisit that history, 13 were released in 1979, 52 were released as Reagan was sworn in, the efforts and success in releasing them rests with the Carter admin.
    No, it's pretty widely known that Carter is historically sympathetic with terrorists in the ME region. He was a coward when it came to dealing with securing the release of Americans held hostage in Iran. Otoh, Iran knew that Reagan would not play politics with them, was not sympathetic with them, and would not tolerate their bull****.

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    On the other hand, compare that with the efforts of the Reagan admin in the Iran-Contra affair.

    I bet you won't.
    Start a thread about it. This one is about Carter.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

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    You mean Republicans?
    No, I mean those Carter supports.

    Your extremely dogmatic nature simply prevents you from acknowledging it.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No, it's pretty widely known that Carter is historically sympathetic with terrorists in the ME region. He was a coward when it came to dealing with securing the release of Americans held hostage in Iran.
    Oh well, you are looping back to the start of this conversation in spite of the fact that Carter did try to militarily act, resulting in the deaths of many Marines....from and act of god.


    Otoh, Iran knew that Reagan would not play politics with them, was not sympathetic with them, and would not tolerate their bull****.
    Start a thread about it. This one is about Carter.
    LOL, you contradict yourself ( YOU are talking about Reagan, as you have been throughout our debate) and totally forget that Reagan approved an illegal scheme to trade advanced US weapons to REAL TERRORISTS for their hostages.

    Yeah...about that "toleration"....sheesh.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There are many people who will claim that Bush and even Nixon were good presidents. Please, someone claim that Carter was a good president; I think we'll all have a laugh.
    There are people who will claim that. We call them "partisan fools."


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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Jimmy is right in his stance, but we've been a country that couldn't speak with moral authority for a long time considering the sheer amount of voyages our military has taken into foreign lands doing all kinds of things. Whether or not Americans want to admit it is up to their ability to regulate some things like patriotism, nationalism, exceptionalism, and tribalism. Reading realistic history helps too.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    If you were familiar with history, then you would have long come to grips with the fact that no great country can speak with complete moral authority. Smaller wealthy countries (Sweden a good example) whose perceived global or even regional responsibilities are necessarily selected may presume to act with moral authority, again, as they perceive it. The problem there is that they have little power and are seldom in the position to make the profound decisions that are incumbent on great powers.

    That is realistic history as regards this subject. Carter was an annoying and unsuccessful president. Now, he is simply annoying.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yeah, but this is Americah! No one criticizes Americah!
    Fascinating how when conservatives err, it is "conservatives" who have sinned... but when liberals do it, "America" is at fault...

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Fascinating how when conservatives err, it is "conservatives" who have sinned... but when liberals do it, "America" is at fault...
    I readily admit Jimmy Carter made a mess of the middle east and set the stage for what happened on 911 along with the ineptness of the do nothing of 8 yrs of Bill Clinton who did nothing after many many attacks on america and americas interest by terrorists...The Cole...The Riad barracks in Saudi Arabia the First world trade center attack...just to name a few...Bill Clintons reaction too all those attacks were to bomb and aspirin factory in iraq and send troops and money to Eastern Europe. Clinton allowed alqueda to grow untethered.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Well, more to the point, Carter lending his legitimacy to dictators and 9/11 truthers kind of obviates the impact of this critique.

    But yes, Clinton was offered OBL's head on a platter, and turned it down.

    Though it is fun to see so many folks who thought Carter Was A Human Rights Prophet when he was taking on Bush now either pretend like this doesn't matter, or blame "America".

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