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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wow, weren't alive then were you. The Shah, for all his faults was indeed a better proponent of individual freedoms than anything that has come after. In fact, the guys running things now are the same fanatics the Shah used to jail for their ****-stirring.

    I went to college with many Iranians in those days. Some were the privileged, rich sort from oil money, but most were average Iranian citizens with the freedom to travel and participate in other cultures. Women were freer than in any other ME nation of the time (except maybe Israel).

    As Clinton said, "perfect is the enemy of good". Say what you want about the Shah, but he was an improvement over what came before, and heads above superior to what they have now.
    Yeah, the Shah was great ... unless you were one of the guys he had down in the dungeons with electrodes attached to your balls.

    He had a lot in common with Saddam Hussein.
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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Might I suggest the "On the Lighter Side" subforum for that, then.
    Yes you might.

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    It's easier to be in the passenger's seat than it is to be driving. But I'm not even here to defend Obama so there's that. In fact, I don't think I mentioned him ... Did I? I'm also not sure why you are bringing Romney into this?

    I'm not gonna argue Hamas with you here. If you'd like, go make another tread and I'll see you there
    Isn't the OP about Carter's criticism of Obama?

    The OP provides evidence of Obama's radical departure from a campaign platform that helped him get elected POTUS. It also provides information to compare the stark contrast between how liberals/socialists/democrats view an Obama change in platform/policy/position to a Romney change in platform/policy/position, which is hyper partisan.

    Don't need to make another thread about Carter's ties to Hamas. The comments are germane here, i. e. he criticized Obama for human rights violations yet supports a terrorist organization. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama's camp responded by saying people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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    When I hear Carter complaining about Palestinian human rights abuses, I may take him half ass seriously.

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Well, he was never the sharpest tack anyway. He has ceaselessly sought to vindicate his failed presidency and himself by presuming to be the conscience of a nation with even less success than his presidency.
    That's not fair. Carter did nuclear engineering design work, and I don't know any dummies who do. Do you?

    Carter has been a declared and devout Christian all his life and has lived out his faith in conscience. I don't agree with his political views at all, but he shouldn't be insulted when he is so obviously sincere in them.

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights' - Yahoo! News



    Is there any question that Jimmy Carter has either an agenda or is a loon?
    He's 88 years old, I'm thinking Alzheimers and dementia.
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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, the Shah was great ... unless you were one of the guys he had down in the dungeons with electrodes attached to your balls.

    He had a lot in common with Saddam Hussein.
    And those guys are the ones we are fighting against right now. The muslim extremists. Again, better than what was before and what came after him. You just can't argue with any honesty that the Iranian people are freer now than under the Shah.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene
    That's not fair. Carter did nuclear engineering design work, and I don't know any dummies who do. Do you?

    Carter has been a declared and devout Christian all his life and has lived out his faith in conscience. I don't agree with his political views at all, but he shouldn't be insulted when he is so obviously sincere in them.
    Absolutely, Carter is a very sincere individual. That last part, though it has made him a great humanitarian, also made him a lousy president (at least for the times).

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    He's 88 years old, I'm thinking Alzheimers and dementia.

    Then how would you'd explain the years he was POTUS away?

    He is in the top 5 of the worst Presidents in history, IMO.

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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Then how would you'd explain the years he was POTUS away?

    He is in the top 5 of the worst Presidents in history, IMO.
    I never said it was just now! LOLOLOLOLOL!
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    re: Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Isn't the OP about Carter's criticism of Obama?

    The OP provides evidence of Obama's radical departure from a campaign platform that helped him get elected POTUS. It also provides information to compare the stark contrast between how liberals/socialists/democrats view an Obama change in platform/policy/position to a Romney change in platform/policy/position, which is hyper partisan.
    He was a radical then and you still deem him a radical. He really can't win with you, can he? Please provide me further analysis of this Romney / Obama ("Robamney") hyper partisanship.

    Don't need to make another thread about Carter's ties to Hamas. The comments are germane here, i. e. he criticized Obama for human rights violations yet supports a terrorist organization. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama's camp responded by saying people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
    He doesn't support a terrorist organization. Hamas, by the standards of the UN, is a terrorist organization, as is Israel. Then again, from your avatar, we can all see what you think about the UN. I am unsure of any factual basis that the U.S. used to label Hamas a "terrorist organization" that couldn't be applied to Israel.
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