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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I 100% agree with you. States should be able to regulate the amount donated by individuals or groups for state and local elections and the congress should be able to decide for federal elections. Personally I'd like to see the same max allowed for any federal donation (to party or to candidate, by individual or group) - $50. That would make federal elections far more interesting. Maybe we'd have a better selection of goobers then.
    That essentailly limits NOTHING, as donations to PACs or civic organizations or even running direct ad campaigns can not be stopped as it is free speach. The power of certain senior members of congress, committee chairs and such, is MASSIVE since they can prevent biils from even comming to the floor for a vote. If that DC "bad guy" or "good guy" (it matters little which) happens to be up for re-election, then why not try to influence that election? It is not illegal or immoral to speak for or against any candidate running for public office. ALL funding limits, by definition, will favor the incumbent, as they have virtually unlimitted travel and press access just by currently holding public office, as Obama has shown us. The campaign may get hit for the "cost equivalent" of the commercial airfare, but the rest is public tax money as long as some "open to the public" event is included, even for a five minute "press conference". All Obama has to do is, say the word, and the secret service will shut nearly half a city down, just to get him in and out for an "offical" event. Yes he can!
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    See, unions actually could keep up before Citizens United. After Citizens United they can't remotely counter contributions by wealthy individuals and corporations. That's kind of the point.
    So what you are saying is, it was unfair to unions until 2002, when McCain Feingold was signed into law and leveled the playing field. So everything was fine and dandy until last year, when the scotus decision on the Citizens United case, struck down parts of McCain feingold and returned things to the way they were prior to 2002, screwing the unions.... Is that correct?

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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, it's not fair either way. I have always advocated for 100% public funding of elections, with both sides getting an equal amount. Unlimited campaign contributions are nothing but legalized bribery.
    Cry me a river. You KNOW that the incumbent has a HUGE advantage, so NOW you want it to be "fair". How much is an Obama press conference, picked up "free" and shown in prime time, as news, worth in opposition campaign funds? WHERE is this "public funding" comming from? Hmm...
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That essentailly limits NOTHING, as donations to PACs or civic organizations or even running direct ad campaigns can not be stopped as it is free speach. The power of certain senior members of congress, committee chairs and such, is MASSIVE since they can prevent biils from even comming to the floor for a vote. If that DC "bad guy" or "good guy" (it matters little which) happens to be up for re-election, then why not try to influence that election? It is not illegal or immoral to speak for or against any candidate running for public office. ALL funding limits, by definition, will favor the incumbent, as they have virtually unlimitted travel and press access just by currently holding public office, as Obama has shown us. The campaign may get hit for the "cost equivalent" of the commercial airfare, but the rest is public tax money as long as some "open to the public" event is included, even for a five minute "press conference". All Obama has to do is, say the word, and the secret service will shut nearly half a city down, just to get him in and out for an "offical" event. Yes he can!
    ttwtt, what steps do you think would be reasonable to limit whatever corrupting influence that money might have in politics? Where would you draw the line?
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, it's not fair either way. I have always advocated for 100% public funding of elections, with both sides getting an equal amount. Unlimited campaign contributions are nothing but legalized bribery.
    I personally would like a system where all donations are completely anonymous, but that's never going to happen.
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Not bad logic, and I will presume that you would make the same argument about union donations in both money and people's time. You will also probably agree that the comic, who as an individual, not a corporation gave Obama $1 million. I am not sure who people get around the law we have on individuals but both the President and Romney attend dinners etc where people may pay 40K or 50K.
    I would make the same argument towards unions. I'm not a fan of large sums of money influencing politicians, even if Jesus Christ himself came down and cut a check. The second point, about the comic, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to agree or disagree with. Heck, I don't especially like people donating 50k at fundraising dinners, but I prefer a limit of 50k per person to a single person dropping seven figures into a race.

    You are correct about the person with the most money often winning. Obama swamped McCain in 2008, perhaps that had an impact, not sure.
    Sure. The person with the most money doesn't always win. Meg Whitman outspent Jerry Brown in California, and Jerry Brown still won. It seems that the curve of money effectiveness plateaus at the point of pure saturation, but it is still a very real issue.


    I also understand that most of the superpac money has been given by individuals, not corporations so it is not clear to me how citizens united impacted those donations. You sound like a lawyer, perhaps you know.
    I'm not a lawyer, I just like reading up on Con Law as a hobby. I'm actually studying Urban Planning. What Citizens United did was it removed any restrictions on what could be donated to a 3rd party political group. There is still a limit on what you can donate to a candidate, but as long as a political action committee has no DIRECT coordination with a candidate, there are no limits to that PAC.
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