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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    We already have big problems, money = speech is and has been a fact of life since media was created and the private sector is not "doing just fine"!

    Sheesh!
    But, money =/= speech, as far as the Constitution is concerned, at least until the activist judges on the Roberts Court overturned a century of precedent.
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Time to amend the Constitution.

    Corporations and Unions are NOT people...
    Why do libtards keep uttering that stupid line? I guess lib-tards figure that if enough people utter a lie then it becomes true. Corporations and unions are an assembly of persons. There is no one at a time clause in the 1st amendment. The supreme court did not declare walmart,sears, kmart, Bank of America or any other corporation a person.The SC ruling basically stated that just because corporations are a group of people that they can not have their rights denied.

    Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "If the First Amendment has any force, it prohibits Congress from fining or jailing citizens, or associations of citizens, for simply engaging in political speech."

    Justice Kennedy's opinion for the majority also noted that since the First Amendment (and the Court) do not distinguish between media and other corporations, these restrictions would allow Congress to suppress political speech in newspapers, books, television and blogs.[2]

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    The majority argued that the First Amendment must protect speakers with equal vigor and that the First Amendment does not tolerate prohibitions of speech based on the identity of the speaker. Because corporations are groups of individuals, the corporate form must receive the same free speech privileges as individual citizens. Likewise, the majority argued that independent expenditures are a form of speech, and limiting a corporation's ability to spend money also limits its ability to speak.
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The first paragraph says it all - corporations rule this country now and will continue to do so as long as they are allowed to spend whatever they wish on politics
    Amazing how people are more troubled by how much a peaceful assembly of people can spend on a campaign than the fact that someone who can be easily swayed by advertising is allowed to vote.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 06-27-12 at 05:44 PM.
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    But, money =/= speech, as far as the Constitution is concerned, at least until the activist judges on the Roberts Court overturned a century of precedent.
    Money buys ads.Ads are speech. There is no limit on how much speech someone can have.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Amazing how people are more troubled by how much a peaceful assembly of people can spend on a campaign than the fact that someone who can be easily swayed by advertising is allowed to vote.

    It is amazing to me how so many are denying the historic reality of political corruption in Montana that was the original reason for passing the corporate contribution limits.


    Do you understand what you have written? "easily swayed"? How about the reality that the more times a lie is heard by a person the result is often belief in the lie lie? Simple result backed up by years of psychological studies on the effectiveness of advertising. Yet you would seem to be saying that "some of us" are too smart to believe any ad when the reality is just the opposite. You are a human being, I'm assuming that you are not a Turing device, and like all of us humans you can be swayed by emotional appeals, by charismatic speakers and by beliefs inculcated by the society you have chosen, all without understanding just how much those non-rational factors can be affecting your supposed 'rational' decisions.
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Amazing how people are more troubled by how much a peaceful assembly of people can spend on a campaign than the fact that someone who can be easily swayed by advertising is allowed to vote.
    People are herd animals. Its a truth that people like to reject because they feel like less of a person for admitting it.

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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It is amazing to me how so many are denying the historic reality of political corruption in Montana that was the original reason for passing the corporate contribution limits.
    Political corruption exists everywhere.So you are not really saying anything new.Want to reduce corruption then implement term limits.


    Do you understand what you have written? "easily swayed"?
    A lot of people are easily swayed. A lot of people are morons who believe what ever ads tell them instead of actually researching the candidates they are going to vote for.

    How about the reality that the more times a lie is heard by a person the result is often belief in the lie lie?
    Kind of like when a lib tard basically utters the line - "That thar Sou Preme Court just said walmart is a person, are day freaken stupid, der der der dee,cor porat America is going to rule us all"

    Simple result backed up by years of psychological studies on the effectiveness of advertising. Yet you would seem to be saying that "some of us" are too smart to believe any ad when the reality is just the opposite.
    If you are stupid enough to base your vote only on a political ad then your an idiot.Smart people look up the candidate's past and current votes to make sure that candidate is not just uttering a line of BS.So really this whining about corporations spending money is just people wanting to keep idiots from voting for the other guy.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 06-27-12 at 06:22 PM.
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Political corruption exists everywhere.So you are not really saying anything new.Want to reduce corruption then implement term limits.




    A lot of people are easily swayed. A lot of people are morons who believe what ever ads tell them instead of actually researching the candidates they are going to vote for.



    Kind of like when a lib tard basically utters the line - "That thar Sou Preme Court just said walmart is a person, are day freaken stupid, der der der dee,cor porat America is going to rule us all" Somerville says: In my opinion this is a racist statement, you don't need to agree.


    If you are stupid enough to base your vote only on a political ad then your an idiot.Smart people look up the candidate's past and current votes to make sure that candidate is not just uttering a line of BS.So really this whining about corporations spending money is just people wanting to keep idiots from voting for the other guy.
    and for you to attempt to deny that corporate spending is only on political ads is a denial of reality. We also have astroturf front groups providing fallacious "information", we have magazine and newspaper articles, we have well-paid shills babbling on the TV, the politician/lobbyist merry-go-round and we have politicians accepting legislation proposals from corporate sources (ALEC), promoting corporate causes and passing bills that benefit corporations at the expense of the public. (sugar subsidies while food stamps are cut)
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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    you have to have a very compelling reason to limit free speech.... especially political speech.

    sorry , but " omg omg omg the corporations are taking over" is not a compelling argument.

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    Re: Court rejects corporate campaign spending limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and for you to attempt to deny that corporate spending is only on political ads is a denial of reality. We also have astroturf front groups providing fallacious "information", we have magazine and newspaper articles, we have well-paid shills babbling on the TV, the politician/lobbyist merry-go-round and we have politicians accepting legislation proposals from corporate sources (ALEC), promoting corporate causes and passing bills that benefit corporations at the expense of the public. (sugar subsidies while food stamps are cut)
    While these pieces try to make it seem as though it is greedy republicans the fact is these republicans can't do squat without the president's John Hancock. So essentially these articles are saying that he president himself is bought and paid for by special interests despite the liberal claim that corporations are buying republicans.


    Kind of like when a lib tard basically utters the line - "That thar Sou Preme Court just said walmart is a person, are day freaken stupid, der der der dee,cor porat America is going to rule us all" Somerville says: In my opinion this is a racist statement, you don't need to agree.
    How is that racist statement? Please explain to all of us how you think it is racist.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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