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    The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    No word yet on what it is, but that ruling is in...links to follow when it hits the web.

    1 of 4 previsions upheld...still no links. The one that is left is allowing police to arrest possible illegal immigrants if they are stopped for another crime. That must be reheard by the 9th.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Supreme Court strikes down most of Arizona immigration law

    The court left standing only the "check your papers" part of the law that requires state and local police to perform roadside immigration checks of people they've stopped or detained if a "reasonable suspicion" exists they are in the country illegally.

    The court indicated that that would face further scrutiny.

    The court rejected the parts of the law that making it a state crime for illegal immigrants not to possess their federal registration cards; for illegal imigrants to work, apply for work or solicit work; and a section that allowed state and local police to arrest illegal immigrants without a warrant when probable cause exists that they committed "any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States."

    Of course, this is still early on, but it seems that most of the law was determined to be illegal.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No word yet on what it is, but that ruling is in...links to follow when it hits the web.

    1 of 4 previsions upheld...still no links. The one that is left is allowing police to arrest possible illegal immigrants if they are stopped for another crime. That must be reheard by the 9th.
    Supreme Court strikes down most of Arizona immigration law
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Here is part of Justice Kennedy's take on it.

    The Supreme Court has issued 5-3 decision in favor of U.S. government, with Justice Kennedy saying that the government has significant power to regulate immigration and while Arizona may have signifacnt frustrations they may not have policies that undermine federal law.
    The entire opinion if anyone wants to read all 151 pages of it. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-182b5e1.pdf
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Basically, they agree Arizona has the right to enforce state law...but does not have the right to make up new immigration law.

    Fed trumps State...seems a good call.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    At least police can still verify the legal status of those they pull over for traffic offense.Hopefully Arizona goes back to the drawing board for other ideas on cracking down on illegal immigration. I would like to see these ideas implemented.

    1.Mandate E-verify.

    2.Make those who hire illegals subject to the same laws that drug dealers,mobsters and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegals activities are subject to. That means subject to assets seizure and fortifier and prison time.

    3.Make those who have been convicted of hiring illegals permanently loose business licenses and for a certain period of time be barred from getting a business license.

    4.Require that in order to get and renew a state issued ID or state issued driver's license or federal government ID(military ID for example) one needs to present a birth certificate(or certificate of naturalization) and SS card.

    6.Require that in order to enroll and re-enroll children into school the parents must present a state issued ID or driver's license. The parent must also present birth certificates and ss cards to enroll their kids into school. Schools failing to do this shall be fined and the appropriate people fired and or face possible jail or prison time.

    7.Require banks,check cashing services and money wiring services to verify that the customer has a state issued ID or driver's license.

    8.Require that in order to apply for welfare,food stamps, section 8 housing, tax payer funded education grants/aid, or any form of tax payer funded aid you must present a state issued ID or driver's license.

    9.Require that in order to get a business license, food handlers permit,fishing and hunting permit or any other tax payer funded service you must present a state issued ID or driver's license.

    10.Require that in order to buy,lease,sell,give or borrow a car both parties must state issued driver's license.

    11.Require that in order to rent,sell,buy,give or borrow property/housing both parties much present a state issued ID or driver license.

    12.Require police to verify the legal status of anyone they pull over.If they can spend a few seconds of minutes to check if someone has warrants then they can most definitely check to see if someone is here legally.

    13.Require that those who deliberately aid illegals shall be fined and or thrown into prison,unless they are aiding in returning an illegal to the border.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    wait, SCOTUS decided that its unConstitutionsal for there to be a state law making it illegal for unlawful immigrants to work?

    they are saying that illegal aliens have the right to work in the USA???

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    wait, SCOTUS decided that its unConstitutionsal for there to be a state law making it illegal for unlawful immigrants to work?

    they are saying that illegal aliens have the right to work in the USA???
    They didn't do that.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    They didn't do that.
    oh, I thought that is what this...meant:

    The court rejected the parts of the law that making it a state crime for illegal immigrants not to possess their federal registration cards; for illegal imigrants to work, apply for work or solicit work; and a section that allowed state and local police to arrest illegal immigrants without a warrant when probable cause exists that they committed "any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States."
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    At least police can still verify the legal status of those they pull over for traffic offense.Hopefully Arizona goes back to the drawing board for other ideas on cracking down on illegal immigration. I would like to see these ideas implemented.

    1.Mandate E-verify.

    2.Make those who hire illegals subject to the same laws that drug dealers,mobsters and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegals activities are subject to. That means subject to assets seizure and fortifier and prison time.

    3.Make those who have been convicted of hiring illegals permanently loose business licenses and for a certain period of time be barred from getting a business license.

    4.Require that in order to get and renew a state issued ID or state issued driver's license or federal government ID(military ID for example) one needs to present a birth certificate(or certificate of naturalization) and SS card.

    6.Require that in order to enroll and re-enroll children into school the parents must present a state issued ID or driver's license. The parent must also present birth certificates and ss cards to enroll their kids into school. Schools failing to do this shall be fined and the appropriate people fired and or face possible jail or prison time.

    7.Require banks,check cashing services and money wiring services to verify that the customer has a state issued ID or driver's license.

    8.Require that in order to apply for welfare,food stamps, section 8 housing, tax payer funded education grants/aid, or any form of tax payer funded aid you must present a state issued ID or driver's license.

    9.Require that in order to get a business license, food handlers permit,fishing and hunting permit or any other tax payer funded service you must present a state issued ID or driver's license.

    10.Require that in order to buy,lease,sell,give or borrow a car both parties must state issued driver's license.

    11.Require that in order to rent,sell,buy,give or borrow property/housing both parties much present a state issued ID or driver license.

    12.Require police to verify the legal status of anyone they pull over.If they can spend a few seconds of minutes to check if someone has warrants then they can most definitely check to see if someone is here legally.

    13.Require that those who deliberately aid illegals shall be fined and or thrown into prison,unless they are aiding in returning an illegal to the border.
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