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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I have no idea, but the police are free to do it as often as they want, for merely being suspect, not actually doing some suspicious. The stop is based on how they look.
    "Can you give us a description of the rapaist, Ma'am?"

    "Yes, officer .. he was a little shorter than average, I'd say, brown eyes, black hair, spoke short, curt, definite accent, and he had a devious look to his smile, and this attitude that I couldn't stop him, oh, and he had this mole on his face to the left of his nose ... "

    "Okay, thanks, Ma'am .. we'll keep a look out for anyone matching that description -- we'll get him, you can rest assured."

    In this particular case of 20 million law-breakers, the group-description profile is an ethically appropriate target.

    How a suspect looks is always germane to hunting him down.

    Whenever a suspect(s) is pursued, a number of innocents with similar profiles get detained for questioning and released, no harm done, and it even becomes their interesting story of the day.

    Real Americans so detained will thank law enforcement for being on the job.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Does the law stop them from doing so?
    Are you pretending that would be the case?
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Basically what they did is gut the law and affirm that federal law preempts state law on immigration. A big win for Obama.
    Did they? Cuz...the ONLY things being discussed prior to this going to trial was Law Enforcement asking for proof of immigrant status and that seems to be the part upheld. I'm thinking what has happened is that people are scurrying to claim a 'victory'. Meanwhile, the states (not just Arizona) are left to deal with the problems.

    And...tell us all again how the fed refuses to enforce immigration laws and blocks states from enforcing immigration laws equates to a victory for Obama...or anyone for that matter.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    "Can you give us a description of the rapaist, Ma'am?"

    "Yes, officer .. he was a little shorter than average, I'd say, brown eyes, black hair, spoke short, curt, definite accent, and he had a devious look to his smile, and this attitude that I couldn't stop him, oh, and he had this mole on his face to the left of his nose ... "

    "Okay, thanks, Ma'am .. we'll keep a look out for anyone matching that description -- we'll get him, you can rest assured."

    In this particular case of 20 million law-breakers, the group-description profile is an ethically appropriate target.

    How a suspect looks is always germane to hunting him down.

    Whenever a suspect(s) is pursued, a number of innocents with similar profiles get detained for questioning and released, no harm done, and it even becomes their interesting story of the day.

    Real Americans so detained will thank law enforcement for being on the job.
    "White" American citizens only have themseves to blame now for condoning the illegal immigration injustice against their fellow American citizens.
    Yes and 20 million American citizens should not be suspect due to a broad resemblance to those here illegally.

    You are arguing with me, but yet you seem to agree with me. I don't condone it. So please pursue someone else with that point.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Did they? Cuz...the ONLY things being discussed prior to this going to trial was Law Enforcement asking for proof of immigrant status and that seems to be the part upheld. I'm thinking what has happened is that people are scurrying to claim a 'victory'. Meanwhile, the states (not just Arizona) are left to deal with the problems.

    And...tell us all again how the fed refuses to enforce immigration laws and blocks states from enforcing immigration laws equates to a victory for Obama...or anyone for that matter.
    Yes, they pretty much kicked AZ in the balls. The only reason they upheld the one section is that they didn't see a conflict with federal law. And of course there's still a good chance the one remaining section could fall on other grounds.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    They were right to do this. Federal law should overrule a state law so long as the Federal law doesn't trample on state's rights according to the Constitution.

    They need to do the same thing to the states that are trying to legalize marijuana.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Are you pretending that would be the case?
    I think you are placing an outcome on the law, not me.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    "White" American citizens only have themseves to blame now for condoning the illegal immigration injustice against their fellow American citizens.
    Wait, are you saying white people can't be illegal immigrants?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They were right to do this. Federal law should overrule a state law so long as the Federal law doesn't trample on state's rights according to the Constitution.

    They need to do the same thing to the states that are trying to legalize marijuana.
    So what is the recourse when the Fed refuses to enforce a law? Has it not then violated the Constitution? The state of Arizona has asked for help, and the federal govt refuses to provide it. If the fed govt wants to sit in the driver's seat, then it needs to drive.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Wait, are you saying white people can't be illegal immigrants?
    No.

    I put "White" in quotes in specific reference to Gina's earlier attempt to create a false dichotomy in the discussion.
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