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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    So essentially the SCOTUS upheld the only part of the law that anyone was talking about?

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Of course it's not profiling. You're fishing, you need to have a license.

    My Hispanic looking relatives could be doing anything, walking or driving down a street for instance, and be stopped and harassed for merely being suspected of being illegal. As a white person, I don't have to worry about that. That's profiling.

    A real world example: My blue-eyed, blonde haired relative is married to an American born woman of Mexican heritage. They have two children. One is blue-eyed and white, the other is brown eyed and brunette. He could be out with his daughter and have no worries. She could be out with their son and potentially be stopped. They live in Arizona, so my concerns are very real, this could effect her and their child.
    So you suspect this will be happening on a daily basis, maybe even several times per day.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

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    So you suspect this will be happening on a daily basis, maybe even several times per day.
    I have no idea, but the police are free to do it as often as they want, for merely being suspect, not actually doing some suspicious. The stop is based on how they look.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So essentially the SCOTUS upheld the only part of the law that anyone was talking about?
    Basically what they did is gut the law and affirm that federal law preempts state law on immigration. A big win for Obama.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I have no idea, but the police are free to do it as often as they want, for merely being suspect, not actually doing some suspicious. The stop is based on how they look.
    And they can set up alcohol check points and stop everyone to check sobriety.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Could be that they are simply following the information and training given BY Federal Immigration agencies TO State and Local law enforcement agencies.

    ICE and Federal Law Enforcement Training Center hold kick-off ceremony welcoming class of 287 (g) officers
    Very text dense. Please cite the passage to which you are referring.

    The fact is, there are millions of legal citizens who are of Hispanic heritage, or look to be. They should not be subject to a stop and check owing to the color of their skin.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And they can set up alcohol check points and stop everyone to check sobriety.
    And everyone going through them is subject to stop. Not only someone fitting a physical description or characteristics.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    And everyone going through them is subject to stop. Not only someone fitting a physical description or characteristics.
    So the Arizona law say that cops can only stop people if they look like Mexicans? Also, when cops do sobriety tests, who's to know if they only stopped Mexicans or not?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So the Arizona law say that cops can only stop people if they look like Mexicans?
    They are going to stop my blonde-haired, blue-eyed relative under the suspicion of being illegal?
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    They are going to stop my blonde-haired, blue-eyed relative under the suspicion of being illegal?
    Does the law stop them from doing so?
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