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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    New York State, run by Liberals: balanced State budget.
    California, run by Conservatives who refuse to raise taxes: $14 billion State budget deficit.

    California has not been run by conservatives since Ronald Reagan. Stop your lying.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Have you heard of the Democratic party? They are liberals. Seriously. They can **** up a marble. And often do.
    You can't credibly claim that you think Alabama was a liberal state until 2 years ago. That just does not pass the laugh test. It's deep south man. They have voted for Republican presidents practically every time. That they still had some dixiecrats lurking around that were nominally Democrats doesn't change that in any way.

    I mean, seriously man. Alabama? Liberal? Are you insane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I see the opposite. The states run into the ground are the states run by liberals. Your chickens are coming home to roost, according to one black liberation pastor associates with a certain one term Marxist.
    Obviously that doesn't match up with reality though, right? The blue states are all clearly and dramatically outperforming the red states. I get that you wish it was the other way around and you have lots of theories about why it should be the other way around. But it isn't and that is plain to see. Right?
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You do not know what you are talking about. But then what else is new?
    Sadly I seem to know more about your own state than you do!

    Six of the seven Alabama governors since 1986 have been Republicans. Since 1964, Alabama has supported a Democrat for president all of ONE time.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You can't credibly claim that you think Alabama was a liberal state until 2 years ago. That just does not pass the laugh test. It's deep south man. They have voted for Republican presidents practically every time. That they still had some dixiecrats lurking around that were nominally Democrats doesn't change that in any way.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. I have come to expect it of you.

    I mean, seriously man. Alabama? Liberal? Are you insane?
    Democrat. Public sector unions. Liberal. Yep. Until the last election. Now all of that has been changed. Republicans swept democrats out of every important office. Liberalism was given the boot.

    Obviously that doesn't match up with reality though, right? The blue states are all clearly and dramatically outperforming the red states. I get that you wish it was the other way around and you have lots of theories about why it should be the other way around. But it isn't and that is plain to see. Right?
    I do see why you think that. Borrowing or taxing massively is the way liberals fund things. Like public sector unions, for example. With the exception of the Obama massive health care tax bundle this state is in reasonably good shape. Obama's massive new taxers will bankrupt us.

    We desperately need regime change. It cannot come soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sadly I seem to know more about your own state than you do!
    You have superficial knowledge of my state just as you do of everything you discuss. Pay attention. You are an ***** and I am trying to help. Alabama has a weak governor model. The power is in the legislature. No one who knows anything cares who the governor is. He is irrelevant to the political power in the state.

    Six of the seven Alabama governors since 1986 have been Republicans. Since 1964, Alabama has supported a Democrat for president all of ONE time.
    See? You have absolutely no clue. But you think you do and that is why you get it consistently wrong.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about. I have come to expect it of you.

    Democrat. Public sector unions. Liberal. Yep. Until the last election. Now all of that has been changed. Republicans swept democrats out of every important office. Liberalism was given the boot.
    Man, liberals have had to invade- literally invade with federal troops- Alabama THREE TIMES in our history. All three times to put down white supremacists. Once in the civil war, once to put down a white supremacist riot and once to force Wallace to follow the court order to integrate the schools.

    You're just blurring together dixiecrats with liberals like they're the same thing. They're opposite ends of the spectrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I do see why you think that. Borrowing or taxing massively is the way liberals fund things. Like public sector unions, for example. With the exception of the Obama massive health care tax bundle this state is in reasonably good shape. Obama's massive new taxers will bankrupt us.

    We desperately need regime change. It cannot come soon enough.
    Look at the actual results though. Don't just speculate about what you think would work best, look at the actual results. There is no economic indicator that blue states aren't trouncing red states on. None. Every economic boom in US history has started in a state that is blue today and liberal at the time. Every single one. Blue states devastate red states on median income. If you took the blue states and red states and made them into a blue country and a red country, the blue country would be running a federal budget surplus and the red country would be running a much larger deficit than we are today. All 10 of the top 10 biggest net tax contributors- federal taxes paid minus federal spending in that state- are blue. All 10. 8 of the 10 biggest net tax debtors are red. We demolish the red states on all educational measures. The number of bankruptcies per capita, the percentage of people on welfare, number of patents filed per capita... Everything. Blue states beat red states, often by an enormous margin, on all economic indicators. Only one of the top twenty universities is in a red state and it is in Austin which prides itself on being a liberal enclave in a conservative state. Blue states are dumping huge amounts of money in to red states each year through our federal taxes to try to prop them up, but it isn't enough to overcome bad state policies and anti-education attitudes.

    So, your theories don't seem to be panning out.

    If the red states caught up with the blue states that would be the biggest economic boom in US history by far. Something like $3 trillion in GDP growth. The red states don't necessarily need to solve the problem the same way the blue states have. If they have a different solution in mind, by all means, lets give it a shot. But so far all they're doing is doubling down on the same catastrophically failed policies and falling further and further behind. Fundamentally, we just need red states to investment much, much, more heavily in maintaining the foundations of their societies one way or another, and we need individuals in red states to stay in school. Whatever plan you cook up, it needs to address those two core areas in a serious way or the red states will just continue falling further behind.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You have superficial knowledge of my state just as you do of everything you discuss. Pay attention. You are an ***** and I am trying to help. Alabama has a weak governor model. The power is in the legislature. No one who knows anything cares who the governor is. He is irrelevant to the political power in the state.


    See? You have absolutely no clue. But you think you do and that is why you get it consistently wrong.
    And you still don't seem to know jack **** about your own state, which is getting sadder by the minute. Alabama does not have a weak governor system, although it's not the strongest due to the 50% veto override. In any case, Democrats in Alabama are conservative as hell. In '08 Alabama was ranked the 5th most conservative state in the country based on voting patterns in the presidential election.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Man, liberals have had to invade- literally invade with federal troops- Alabama THREE TIMES in our history. All three times to put down white supremacists. Once in the civil war, once to put down a white supremacist riot and once to force Wallace to follow the court order to integrate the schools.
    Isn't federal power wonderful? How long ago was that? Who controlled the state? Democrats. For 136 straight years.

    You're just blurring together dixiecrats with liberals like they're the same thing. They're opposite ends of the spectrum.
    I am quite certain your false beliefs give you comfort.

    Look at the actual results though. Don't just speculate about what you think would work best, look at the actual results.
    Yes. Low taxes. Business friendly regulatory environment...Businesses are coming to my state and fleeing yours.

    Our best days are ahead of us. Your best days are behind you.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Isn't federal power wonderful? How long ago was that? Who controlled the state? Democrats. For 136 straight years.

    I am quite certain your false beliefs give you comfort.
    You need to learn some history man. Seriously... Alabama... Liberal. It's too much man.

    Here is a fun one for you- about half of the people from Alabama believe that Obama is a Muslim. LOL. Yeah, real liberal man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yes. Low taxes. Business friendly regulatory environment...Businesses are coming to my state and fleeing yours.

    Our best days are ahead of us. Your best days are behind you.
    Well, obviously you're not reading my posts before you hit reply. Your argument was destroyed, but there you are just repeating it like nothing happened...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And you still don't seem to know jack **** about your own state, which is getting sadder by the minute. Alabama does not have a weak governor system, although it's not the strongest due to the 50% veto override. In any case, Democrats in Alabama are conservative as hell. In '08 Alabama was ranked the 5th most conservative state in the country based on voting patterns in the presidential election.
    LOL. And yet I am here, paying attention to who actually has power in this state and you are...well somewhere else.

    I know quite a bit actually since I am here because I want to be here. It does have a weak governor system. But you go on believing whatever gives you the most satisfaction.
    I cannot imagine democrats anywhere being conservative. Had they been conservative they would not have been swept out of every major office in the last election. And yet they were. All of them.

    All politics is local. The nicest part is that it is clear that you know absolutely nothing about my state while pretending that you know a great deal. That informs my intuition on all other matters. You may Google excellently but you are very, very shallow.
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