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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The thing is, your state is not doing fine.
    You sure do skip around. We were talking about illegal aliens, or so I thought.
    It's an economic disaster.
    We did just end 136 years of Democrat party rule.

    Your median household income is almost $10k below the national average and almost $20k behind states like California, New York, Washington state or New Jersey. $10k is the difference between the US and Italy. $20k is approaching the difference between the US and Mexico.

    You schools consistently rank in the bottom 5 states. 15% of the population of your state is classified as illiterate.

    I'm not just trying to rag on you for the sake of being mean. More than anything else in this country, we need red states to stop settling for dropping out of school and doing low end jobs. We need you to catch up. The well being of our entire country depends on it. If the red states caught up with the blue states, it would be the biggest economic boom the country has ever seen. If they continue falling behind, it will continue to drag the rest of the country down with it. People in red states need to stay in school. It's that simple.
    Not at all. You can see how deep the damage of one party, liberal rule is.

    As far as blue states go let's watch another decade. California is already a failed state. I left there to come here. From my friends I left behind it continues to become dysfunctional in every area.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by James Cessna View Post
    Here is an interesting analsis, Misterveritis.

    You may have seen it before. It is quite an eye opener.

    EMILIO LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

    You have two families: "Emilio Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have two parents, two children, and live in southern California.

    Emilio Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

    Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

    Ready? … Now pay very close attention...

    Emilio Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Emilio Legal now has $31,231.00.

    Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

    Emilio Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Emilio Legal now has $24,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Emilio Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or state welfare. Emilio Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Emilio Legal now has $18,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and state welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Emilio Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Emilio Legal now has $9,631.00.

    Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Emilio Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for auto insurance. Emilio Legal now has $7,231.00.

    Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no expensive auto insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

    Emilio Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, clothes and shoes for his family, etc.

    Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, clothes and shoes for his family and what he faithfully sends out of the country to his relatives in Mexico every month.

    Emilio Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Emilio Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Emilio Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Emilio Legal's children go directly home after school.

    Emilio Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services and emergency room services and Public Park and library services but Emilio has paid for them and Jose did not pay.
    So we passed laws to penalize employers who hire illegals. Illegals leave the state and are replaced by American citizens were were unemployed and drawing significant amounts of money from the taxpayers.

    I know you are invested in open borders. I am invested in American citizens.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    We did just end 136 years of Democrat party rule.
    Oh baloney. You were lead by the dixiecrats and when they switched over to the GOP you went with them. Nothing changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    California is already a failed state.
    LOL. Are you kidding me? You're in freaking Alabama and you're calling California a failed state? Dude. Our median household makes almost $20k more a year than your median household. We're as far ahead of you as you are ahead of Mexico. It's totally implausible that you are unaware of that.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    LOL. Are you kidding me? You're in freaking Alabama and you're calling California a failed state? Dude. Our median household makes almost $20k more a year than your median household. We're as far ahead of you as you are ahead of Mexico. It's totally implausible that you are unaware of that.
    Yet, how much in debt is your State? Income / dollars is not the only indicator if a State is good/bad.

    You do have Pelosi and Fienstien, that pretty much is a fail. (in fairness we have Brewer/McCain)

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Yet, how much in debt is your State? Income / dollars is not the only indicator if a State is good/bad.
    It is true that median household income isn't the only economic indicator. IMO, it is the most important one though.

    As for deficit, CA, AZ and AL are all pretty much in the same shape. AZ's deficit is 0.57% of its GDP, AL's is 0.68% of its GDP, CA's is 0.82% of it's GDP. CA's is slightly higher, but the difference between 0.57% and 0.82% is pretty minor. Some states have deficits up in the 2% range, some have 0%, but most are between 0.5% and 1%.

    California's deficit just seems bigger because it's a bigger state with a bigger GDP. If you look at absolute values for anything, California tops the list just because of its size.

    Those are very manageable numbers. Remember that the federal government is running a deficit up around 10% of its GDP.

    The budget problem California has isn't that its deficit is too big, the problem is the rigidity that the voter propositions have introduced into the system. They mandate a bunch of spending that the legislature can't overturn and they limit tax revenues at the same time. So there are actually very few places where the government can raise revenues or cut spending, so those areas get hit hard. For example, our property taxes are very low because they're locked in by propositions, so our income taxes have to be high to offset it. And much of government spending is locked in, but education isn't, so it gets cut too much to make up for it.

    That's a serious issue for sure. But to equate that to a failed state is absurd. It's just some stupid propositions we need to get repealed. The state is doing pretty well overall. It's a more volatile economy than most. We rely heavily on high risk/high reward industries like software and biotech and whatnot. When the economy is bad, we get hit harder than most states, but when the economy is good, we boom bigger than most states too. Keep in mind that during both of the last booms we set all time records for having the largest budget surplus ever of any state.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    You do have Pelosi and Fienstien, that pretty much is a fail. (in fairness we have Brewer/McCain)
    LOL. I think Brewer and Pelosi are probably pretty parallel. I love Pelosi and hate Brewer, but I'll acknowledge that Pelosi kind of is to the left what Brewer is to the right.

    But it's weird that you list Feinstein and McCain as fails! They're both pretty moderate. Boxer is definitely more radical than Feinstein.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It is true that median household income isn't the only economic indicator. IMO, it is the most important one though.

    As for deficit, CA, AZ and AL are all pretty much in the same shape. AZ's deficit is 0.57% of its GDP, AL's is 0.68% of its GDP, CA's is 0.82% of it's GDP. CA's is slightly higher, but the difference between 0.57% and 0.82% is pretty minor. Some states have deficits up in the 2% range, some have 0%, but most are between 0.5% and 1%.

    California's deficit just seems bigger because it's a bigger state with a bigger GDP. If you look at absolute values for anything, California tops the list just because of its size.

    Those are very manageable numbers. Remember that the federal government is running a deficit up around 10% of its GDP.

    The budget problem California has isn't that its deficit is too big, the problem is the rigidity that the voter propositions have introduced into the system. They mandate a bunch of spending that the legislature can't overturn and they limit tax revenues at the same time. So there are actually very few places where the government can raise revenues or cut spending, so those areas get hit hard. For example, our property taxes are very low because they're locked in by propositions, so our income taxes have to be high to offset it. And much of government spending is locked in, but education isn't, so it gets cut too much to make up for it.

    That's a serious issue for sure. But to equate that to a failed state is absurd. It's just some stupid propositions we need to get repealed. The state is doing pretty well overall. It's a more volatile economy than most. We rely heavily on high risk/high reward industries like software and biotech and whatnot. When the economy is bad, we get hit harder than most states, but when the economy is good, we boom bigger than most states too. Keep in mind that during both of the last booms we set all time records for having the largest budget surplus ever of any state.



    LOL. I think Brewer and Pelosi are probably pretty parallel. I love Pelosi and hate Brewer, but I'll acknowledge that Pelosi kind of is to the left what Brewer is to the right.

    But it's weird that you list Feinstein and McCain as fails! They're both pretty moderate. Boxer is definitely more radical than Feinstein.
    McCain has been to wimpy on some issues for my taste.
    All is good in CA and AZ.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Oh baloney. You were lead by the dixiecrats and when they switched over to the GOP you went with them. Nothing changed.
    Hmm. Quandary. Are you a fool or a liar? Only your hairdresser knows for sure.

    LOL. Are you kidding me? You're in freaking Alabama and you're calling California a failed state? Dude. Our median household makes almost $20k more a year than your median household. We're as far ahead of you as you are ahead of Mexico. It's totally implausible that you are unaware of that.
    The difference is that we are on our way up and California is already on its way out.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Hmm. Quandary. Are you a fool or a liar? Only your hairdresser knows for sure.
    What kiddo? Are you unclear on the fact that your leaders were dixiecrats? Uh, Wallace was the pinnacle of dixiecratdom...

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The difference is that we are on our way up and California is already on its way out.
    LOL. So you think Alabama is going to like snatch the leader spot up on the next big boom away from CA? Yeah...
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What kiddo? Are you unclear on the fact that your leaders were dixiecrats? Uh, Wallace was the pinnacle of dixiecratdom...+
    136 years of one party democrat rule ended in the last election. Call theme
    what you want. Alabama suffered for 136 years of liberal, one party rule. We voted in many conservatives and many more Republicans (Handshake with Alabama) in the last election. They are turning things around. Republican Handshake with Alabama

    The difference between Alabama and California is that our dark days are behind us while your future will be filled with them.
    LOL. So you think Alabama is going to like snatch the leader spot up on the next big boom away from CA? Yeah...
    Why does California have higher unemployment than almost everywhere?
    Currently, California has the second highest unemployment rate in the United States. Nevada has the first. But California Board of Equalization member George Runner believes California is rapidly head to the top spot on the list (as originally published in the Press Enterprise):
    Will California have the highest unemployment rate in the United States? - Orange Punch : The Orange County Register
    This story is about a year old. How are you doing this year?
    California currently has an unemployment rate of 10.9 percent.
    California is ranked number 49 in the nation for their rate of employment.
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    Oh. Not that well.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    We should abuse and tyrannize these economic traitors. Give patriotic Americans a chance to run those businesses.

    Why should we treat these "traitors" in a way that is treasonous to other American ideals?
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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