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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, what I am saying is FAR from that. I am saying if that job, picking fruit, good honest hard work, is offered at such a LOW wage IN THE USA that NOBODY in the U.S. will do it, then the WAGES OFFERED ARE SIMPLY TOO LOW.
    What? So you're saying that when our population progresses past a job, we just shouldn't do it any more? So we should just start letting fields go unfarmed and stop having people clean houses and whatnot? Why? What would possibly be gained from that? It's just waste. If there is benefit to be had for us from having that work done, and people who want to do the work because it would improve their situation too, why not do it?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by James Cessna View Post
    You are correct, ttwtt.

    The liberals complain about "slave wages" and deplorable working conditions" in China but then they turn around and allow these same conditions to flourish in this country.

    Again, let's crack down on employers that hire undocumented immigrants when we have a guest worker program that is sufficient to replace them. Meanwhile, let’s crack down on the unscrupulous employers who hire illegal immigrants to do the work of non-farm jobs such as gardeners, landscapers, short order cooks and day laborers.
    I agree PARTLY. But I see NO NEED to import unskilled or semi-skilled FORIEGN labor SIMPLY to artificially depress wages and increase profits IN THE USA. No job, doing honest, hard work is BENEATH an American citizen, that sends a VERY BAD message to our children. Not everyone is going to be capable of "better" work. We now pay 15% of our population to do NOTHING; look at the OWS loons DEMANDING high wages for doing less difficult jobs, simply because they have a piece of peper saying that they are "educated". Nobody deserves a hand out, REGARDLESS of their "education", if work needs to be done then a wage sufficient to attract U.S. workers needs to be paid, no less and no more. The insane idea of the left is that a college degree, even in underwater basket weaving, somehow entitles one to be paid WAY more than their work is REALLY worth, yet someone, WITHOUT that degree, must accept whatever scraps are offered as "fair" compensation for their labor, if not, they will get gov't "permission" to use TEMPORARY foreigners to do it.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What? So you're saying that when our population progresses past a job, we just shouldn't do it any more? So we should just start letting fields go unfarmed and stop having people clean houses and whatnot? Why? What would possibly be gained from that? It's just waste. If there is benefit to be had for us from having that work done, and people who want to do the work because it would improve their situation too, why not do it?
    We, the TAXPAYERS, now pay 15% of our population to DO NOTHING AT ALL. There are THOUSANDS of people NOW getting PAID not to work, yet you assert, to keep the price of fruit down, we need foreign TEMPORARY labor. You don't REALLY even mean temporary, you want a permanent underclass of "strong young foriegn labor" to serve us, doing jobs "beneath" the dignity of ALL U.S. citizens. Get real!
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We, the TAXPAYERS, now pay 15% of our population to DO NOTHING AT ALL. There are THOUSANDS of people NOW getting PAID not to work, yet you assert, to keep the price of fruit down, we need foreign TEMPORARY labor. You don't REALLY even mean temporary, you want a permanent underclass of "strong young foriegn labor" to serve us, doing jobs "beneath" the dignity of ALL U.S. citizens. Get real!
    Pay 15% of our population to do nothing at all? Uh, you'll need to explain that lol... Source please...

    Only 0.5% of the population gets actual welfare checks- TANF. And they are almost exclusively mothers who have a newborn and can't afford child care... You want to send them out to the fields or what?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post

    I agree PARTLY. But I see NO NEED to import unskilled or semi-skilled FORIEGN labor SIMPLY to artificially depress wages and increase profits IN THE USA. No job, doing honest, hard work is BENEATH an American citizen, that sends a VERY BAD message to our children. Not everyone is going to be capable of "better" work. We now pay 15% of our population to do NOTHING; look at the OWS loons DEMANDING high wages for doing less difficult jobs, simply because they have a piece of peper saying that they are "educated". Nobody deserves a hand out, REGARDLESS of their "education", if work needs to be done then a wage sufficient to attract U.S. workers needs to be paid, no less and no more. The insane idea of the left is that a college degree, even in underwater basket weaving, somehow entitles one to be paid WAY more than their work is REALLY worth, yet someone, WITHOUT that degree, must accept whatever scraps are offered as "fair" compensation for their labor, if not, they will get gov't "permission" to use TEMPORARY foreigners to do it.
    The problem is many people are graduating from college today with “liberal arts” degrees that no employer has a need for or can use. And then these people complain they cannot find a decent job with a starting salary of $100,000 a year!

    There are plenty of good paying jobs available in science and technology today but few people graduate with these degrees because the coursework requires a lot of math and the courses are very difficult for most people to understand and master.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    WTF are you talking about? Bigoted? You think it is bigotry to want the country to move forward economically? You're just being insane. Slow down, think things through, and come back with a position. Of course we want to continually move as many Americans as we can into better and better jobs... Do you really disagree with that or are you just angry? And, of course, we want to provide other people the opportunity to take the jobs we leave behind... Why wouldn't we? I get how mad you are, but I honestly don't get why.



    I was in software for a long time, then I went back to school to get a law degree. I have one year of law school left. This summer I'm working at a law firm. Why?
    Dude, you have bumped your head or something. Not ALL U.S. folks are college educated (or even have finished highschool) their are MANY, MANY U.S. folks, that are a tick or two below rocket scientists, that NEED productive jobs to do. YOU may be a lawyer, and your kids may not WANT to pick fruit, but THINK about what you are REALLY saying; if you lack the skill to "move up" you will be paid as a guest worker or paid not to work at all. What do you think the 11 MILLION illegals now in the U.S. are doing to feed, clothe and house themselves? Why do we need THEM and yet NEED guest workers too? Hmm...
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post

    We, the TAXPAYERS, now pay 15% of our population to DO NOTHING AT ALL. There are THOUSANDS of people NOW getting PAID not to work, yet you assert, to keep the price of fruit down, we need foreign TEMPORARY labor. You don't REALLY even mean temporary, you want a permanent underclass of "strong young foriegn labor" to serve us, doing jobs "beneath" the dignity of ALL U.S. citizens. Get real!
    You are correct, ttwtt.


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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Dude, you have bumped your head or something. Not ALL U.S. folks are college educated (or even have finished highschool) their are MANY, MANY U.S. folks, that are a tick or two below rocket scientists, that NEED productive jobs to do. YOU may be a lawyer, and your kids may not WANT to pick fruit, but THINK about what you are REALLY saying; if you lack the skill to "move up" you will be paid as a guest worker or paid not to work at all. What do you think the 11 MILLION illegals now in the U.S. are doing to feed, clothe and house themselves? Why do we need THEM and yet NEED guest workers too? Hmm...
    Somebody working at McDonalds generates way more value both for themselves and the economy than a migrant laborer. Are you saying that you think there are a large number of citizens who aren't qualified to work at a McDonalds? I'm certainly not proposing that we use a guest worker program to fill that tier of jobs. Not yet anyways. Some day, hopefully, the vast majority of our population will progress beyond service jobs and we'll have somebody fill those in too. But not yet.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post

    And you are a tremendously bigotted person, dictating that REAL Americans are above doing farm work, or perhaps ANY other manual labor, and that REAL Americans should have low paid foreign laborers to serve them, as they do the "imporant" and higher paid "work". Get real! BTW, just what is YOUR job?
    You are correct, ttwtt.

    It is interesting how liberals like teamosil often hide the truth about illegal immigrants and how these people have such little respect for our immigration laws.

    If the illegal immigrants supported and voted for the candidates of the Republican party, the liberals would throw them out of our country in a heart-beat, regardless of their need for jobs and income and their economic status!

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by James Cessna View Post
    The problem is many people are graduating from college today with “liberal arts” degrees that no employer has a need for or can use. And then these people complain they cannot find a decent job with a starting salary of $100,000 a year!

    There are plenty of good paying jobs available in science and technology today but few people graduate with these degrees because the coursework requires a lot of math and the courses are very difficult for most people to understand and master.
    I agree, so they WASTED their time and SOMEONE ELSE'S money to get a worthless piece of paper. So now it is time to get real and work; good, honest, hard work and produce some goods or provide some services to put a roof over their heads, clothes on their backs and food in their bellies. It is NOT time to loaf, whine and join OWS rllies asking for "help". This entire country (or at least one big part of it) has lost sight of reality. The USA is not suddenly a dream land that requires no more than WANTING a cushy desk job, to "earn" one. Holes still need digging, fences still need erecting, food still needs to be cooked and served, cars still break down, friut needs to be picked and all sorts of jobs STILL need doing, some are just plain, old fashioned, hard work. Life in the USA did NOT change because someone got a pice of paper SAYING that they are now worth WAY too much to "waste" themselves by doing some REAL work.
    Last edited by ttwtt78640; 07-04-12 at 03:40 PM.
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