Page 42 of 60 FirstFirst ... 32404142434452 ... LastLast
Results 411 to 420 of 593

Thread: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

  1. #411
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's not achievable because it's a nearly impossible task. How many years and how many billions of dollars have we spent trying to stop the importation of illegal drugs? And to what effect?
    I don't think it is impossible at all. We have to take it as seriously as every other country in the world including our neighbor to the south. But, see demo's have a problem now in terms of immigration, and that is that they have in the past duped republicans into going along with two pronged fixes including amnesty, and security, then when the amnesty is granted we never get the security. That damaged trust.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  2. #412
    Sage
    MoSurveyor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    04-13-17 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    9,985

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think it is impossible at all. We have to take it as seriously as every other country in the world including our neighbor to the south. But, see demo's have a problem now in terms of immigration, and that is that they have in the past duped republicans into going along with two pronged fixes including amnesty, and security, then when the amnesty is granted we never get the security. That damaged trust.
    LOL! Would you care to review Bush's I & II stance on immigration then try telling that lie, again? The repo's are even worse. They need to keep their business buddy's in cheap labor.
    Mt. Rushmore: Three surveyors and some other guy.
    Life goes on within you and without you. -Harrison
    Hear the echoes of the centuries, Power isn't all that money buys. -Peart
    After you learn quantum mechanics you're never really the same again. -Weinberg

  3. #413
    Sage
    AdamT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 04:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    17,773

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    LOL! Would you care to review Bush's I & II stance on immigration then try telling that lie, again? The repo's are even worse. They need to keep their business buddy's in cheap labor.
    Yes ... well.... Ahem....

    Where's our longhorn friend who decries the lack of construction jobs in Texas?

    Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson rose nervously to urge Republicans at the state party’s convention to support a national guest-worker program for millions of undocumented residents.
    Two years earlier, the party that dominates the second-most populous state had called for a crackdown on illegal immigrants.

    “‘Well, here’s the end of a political career,’” Patterson said, recalling his thought as he looked over the June 8 gathering in the Fort Worth Convention Center. Instead, the delegates passed the platform with the guest-worker plan.

    In Texas, the state with the second-largest illegal- immigrant population, Republicans have softened their stance toward them. The vote reflected a more pragmatic view of years past, such as when Governor Rick Perry signed a first-in-the- nation 2001 law that gave undocumented residents in-state tuition rates at public colleges. It preceded a U.S. Supreme Court ruling this week that voided most of an Arizona law cracking down on people in the country illegally.

    “I’m no bleeding heart; I oppose birthright citizenship,” said Patterson, 65, whose elected office controls state lands and mineral rights. “But we need the labor.”

    Job Growth

    Employers in Texas, where job growth led the 10 largest U.S. states in the 12 months through March, can’t find people for jobs in industries such as construction and food service, Patterson said. The new platform put the party in line with agriculture directors in 15 states, including Texas, who are pushing for the creation of a “conditional status” for undocumented workers. The group includes Alabama, where labor shortages arose after a crackdown on illegal residents.

    Texas GOP Shift May Show Way Out of Immigration Stalement - Bloomberg
    Last edited by AdamT; 07-01-12 at 11:38 PM.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

  4. #414
    Sage
    MoSurveyor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    04-13-17 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    9,985

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes ... well.... Ahem....

    Where's our longhorn friend who decries the lack of construction jobs in Texas?
    Alabama had problems taking in their harvest last fall, too.
    Mt. Rushmore: Three surveyors and some other guy.
    Life goes on within you and without you. -Harrison
    Hear the echoes of the centuries, Power isn't all that money buys. -Peart
    After you learn quantum mechanics you're never really the same again. -Weinberg

  5. #415
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Huntsville, AL
    Last Seen
    03-03-17 @ 10:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    13,813

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Alabama had problems taking in their harvest last fall, too.
    I am impressed. You are an expert in Alabama. Thank goodness.

    US unemployment dropped in the counties where most of the illegal aliens departed. In Alabama we choose citizens over illegals. Your mileage may vary.

  6. #416
    Sage
    mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    DC Metro
    Last Seen
    11-13-16 @ 12:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    22,499

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Many are being paid under the table. Would you support a penalty on the employer of such persons of $1,000.00 per day per worker if the employer is caught?
    I would support a fine on employers that hire illegals, for sure. I don't know what the fine should be, but at least equal to the amount paid the worker or the minimum wage equivalent for the time worked, whichever is greater.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

  7. #417
    Death2Globalists Matt Foley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    ExecuteTheTraitors
    Last Seen
    11-24-12 @ 12:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,574

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    LOL! Would you care to review Bush's I & II stance on immigration then try telling that lie, again? The repo's are even worse. They need to keep their business buddy's in cheap labor.
    Both parties (including Libertarian/Green) are the same.
    Globalist = Free Trade, Open Borders, Multiculturalist, Anti-White Racist, Hypocrite, Sophist, Deceiver, Manipulator, Warmonger, Vulgar Culture, Morally Depraved......Enemy

    Death to Globalists

  8. #418
    Sage
    mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    DC Metro
    Last Seen
    11-13-16 @ 12:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    22,499

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Link for that "FACT"? Many are paid directly as most are, with a W2; some are paid using a 1099 (independent contractor). I have worked with MANY illegals that ALL had "ID" yet, since there was no E-verify check, most are simply "made up".

    Well, last year SSA reported 7.7 million false numbers and the estimated number of illegals in the US low estimate is 15 million and as high as 30 million. Even if the low estimate is accurate that would mean most are getting paid under the table.

    Still, I hadn't considered the illegals getting paid legitimately with false IDs. It seems to me that that constitutes the govt taking advantage of illegals and in the end, the immigrant loses out. To be more clear, the immigrant is actually donating to the USG in the form of taxes that they do not ever reap the benefit on.

    In a nutshell, the immigrant gets screwed in that case, and the gov gets screwed when they work under the table.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

  9. #419
    Sometimes wrong

    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    34,650

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, last year SSA reported 7.7 million false numbers and the estimated number of illegals in the US low estimate is 15 million and as high as 30 million. Even if the low estimate is accurate that would mean most are getting paid under the table.

    Still, I hadn't considered the illegals getting paid legitimately with false IDs. It seems to me that that constitutes the govt taking advantage of illegals and in the end, the immigrant loses out. To be more clear, the immigrant is actually donating to the USG in the form of taxes that they do not ever reap the benefit on.

    In a nutshell, the immigrant gets screwed in that case, and the gov gets screwed when they work under the table.
    We ALL get screwed by the use of illegal immigrant labor. The illegal alien worker makes 5x to 10x more (after expenses) than they could in the homeland, send a good bit of that back "home" and keep wages down for those here. It is that last part, the wage depression that makes them "so vital to our economy", as is always the argument. Even though only 2% work in agriculture, that is the "image" that is used to explain that they only take "jobs that citizens refuse to do", the great lie on the left (and right) to keep the supply of easily exploitable labor handy. The states don't complain much as they get paid federal "bribes" through education aid and other social services aid based on the number of illegals "found" in the census.

    In the construction trades, assembly/production, food service and retail sales jobs these workers keep ALL labor costs WAY down; they work hard, work cheap, never ask for raises/benefits and will work in unsafe/unsanitary conditions without complaint. To assert that the illegal alien worker "loses out" is absurd, as they comapre what they get paid here "net" in a month or two, and it exceeds what they could get in a year in the homeland; that is hardly "losing out", IMHO.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

  10. #420
    Sage
    AdamT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 04:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    17,773

    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We ALL get screwed by the use of illegal immigrant labor.
    No comment on post #413?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

Page 42 of 60 FirstFirst ... 32404142434452 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •