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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The DOJ objects to that. They tried to block the provision of the law going after employers.
    They can object all they want, state business licenses is state business; USC wants to play the jurisdiction game, fine.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well you know the Governor gets 10% right off the top, right?
    I bet if you looked at her portfolio you'd see Chinese slave labor and/or Immigrant slave labor.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I understand why this was upheld owing to the basis on which it was challenged. It will have to go into effect in order to be challenged fully, so I won't argue the merits of the ruling today.

    I have a huge problem with this:


    Read more: Arizona immigration ruling: High court strikes down much of Arizona immigration law - POLITICO.com

    So my Hispanic looking relatives, who were born here, can be harassed for doing nothing more than looking Hispanic. That's a barnyard substance.
    They can check other things if they stop you, so how do you have a problem with this?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    All you really need is #3.

    That would only take care of the ones looking for work. But what about the ones here to pop out anchor babies and those wishing to exploit the system in order to get their kids in school and get tax payer funded services?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    I bet if you looked at her portfolio you'd see Chinese slave labor and/or Immigrant slave labor.
    Oh of course.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    So a cop asking for a white's driver's license is harassment? cool
    That has nothing to do with it, they are being stopped and questioned because they are suspected of being in the U.S. illegally.

    That provision, requiring police to conduct immigration checks on individuals they arrest or merely stop for questioning whom they suspect are in the U.S. illegally,

    That stop is made based on how they look, yes? A white driver won't be stopped under these circumstances, or at least it's highly unlikely.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They can check other things if they stop you, so how do you have a problem with this?
    If they legitimately stop someone for doing something suspicious, they don't need this law.

    This law says the police can stop them merely for suspecting they are in the country illegally.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    At least police can still verify the legal status of those they pull over for traffic offense.Hopefully Arizona goes back to the drawing board for other ideas on cracking down on illegal immigration. I would like to see these ideas implemented.

    1.Mandate E-verify.
    There are apparently some flaws with E-verify. We had a guy working for my company who passed E-verify and several job-specific background checks (one of them even included finger printing). We had to terminate him and he applied for unemployment. Based on the investigation of our claims and the state's investigation of the employee, it was determined that our reasons were valid and, even if they weren't, he didn't qualify for unemployment because he did not have legal residency status.

    Makes me wonder how he passed E-verify and all those background checks without flagging the system, yet the state was somehow able to make the determination on his work status.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    odd slant on why the AZ politicians pushed the immigration law... I agree they knew there was a good chance it would be shot down, or at least have it's teeth pulled...

    But not to keep 'slave labor'- rather they were pandering to the 'nativists' who fear losing majority rule by skin color and think that equates to losing freedom.

    The teeth have been removed from the only remaining part... a cop can ask, can see, but can only call ICE, there is no state crime to enforce.

    A hollow victory at best.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    If they legitimately stop someone for doing something suspicious, they don't need this law.

    This law says the police can stop them merely for suspecting they are in the country illegally.
    If you're an Arizona cop, how many latinos do you deal with on a daily basis? How many Arizona cops are latino? Ultimately there is and must be some discretion left to the police officers. And this already exists for other aspects of law. If I'm fishing on a river, the game warden has a right to ask for my fishing license. So when I show him, is it okay for me to charge the warden with harrassment or profiling?
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