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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Doesn't it benefit us all that illegal immigrants currently in the US obtain citizenship? Obviously we would want at least a cursury review of their criminal history (or lack of) before granting citizenship, but overall, it benefits the country.

    I don't think amnesty is the right word as it implies an automatic granting of citizenship. But why is there opposition to people obtaining citizenship that are willing to work hard and benefit themselves and the coutnry?
    A funny thing to watch in these anti-immigrant folk who want a massive wall and instant deportation of 12 million people is that they are also generally bitching about how the workforce is going to be too small to support the baby boomer's social security debts. They are practically shooting themselves in the foot on an answer.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    A funny thing to watch in these anti-immigrant folk who want a massive wall and instant deportation of 12 million people is that they are also generally bitching about how the workforce is going to be too small to support the baby boomer's social security debts. They are practically shooting themselves in the foot on an answer.
    Those types want "Guest Workers".

    I don't.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I suppose they do in one way, leases for mineral and oil rights. So for 99.9999% of the time they take wealth that others have created and consume it.
    You know even in a Libertarian Paradise where gubment only maintains a 20 person Navy, by default Government is doing stuff that isn't suppose to be profitable. That's why it is gubment, it's the very function of gubment, to do stuff that isn't profitable or less profitable.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So what do you call an illegal alien who obtains amnesty?
    Higher population density, lower standard of living, China, one child rule.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So what do you call an illegal alien who obtains amnesty?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Governments do not create wealth.
    Rich people also do not create wealth - they just amass wealth created by others. Such wealth is typically used to control the world around them, including their fellow man. Most millionaires don't care what damage they might do to the environment or their fellow man as long as they get what they want. A millionaire can do more damage than a man with a machine gun. A few bankers and a couple of people slapping false ratings on financial instruments recently proved this.

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    For you it is all about dominance and control.
    A conservative says this?!?!?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    You know even in a Libertarian Paradise where gubment only maintains a 20 person Navy, by default Government is doing stuff that isn't suppose to be profitable. That's why it is gubment, it's the very function of gubment, to do stuff that isn't profitable or less profitable.
    Too bad that isn't what this corrupt government is doing.

    We could eliminate the education department, the environmental protection agency and another dozen other extra-constitutional departments and agencies without eliminating a single Navy ship, a single Air Force aircraft, a single Marine or a single soldier.

    Nice diversion though. Not actually. I am just trying to be polite.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Too bad that isn't what this corrupt government is doing.

    We could eliminate the education department, the environmental protection agency and another dozen other extra-constitutional departments and agencies without eliminating a single Navy ship, a single Air Force aircraft, a single Marine or a single soldier.

    Nice diversion though. Not actually. I am just trying to be polite.

    I would not call such a position as explicated above, "Conservative".

    Of course, the right in America has demonstrated one thing during the past 40+ years that it is very good at - redefining words and terms.

    Eliminate a government department that does try to improve education in a nation that is already trailing the rest of the world on educational outcomes, yay, more functional illiterates that are easier to fool, fewer of those 'others' taking places in universities that really belong to the right sort of people.

    Eliminate a government department so we can go back to the days of rivers catching fire, of toxins in our drinking water and food, back to the days when industrial smog killed thousands - yep, no problem with that.

    The total lack of knowledge of real consequences, or maybe it is refusal to admit that tightly held beliefs are simply nonsense, seems to motivate far too many on the right today.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I would not call such a position as explicated above, "Conservative".
    Of course you wouldn't. You are a socialist. You cannot comprehend so simple a concept as constitutionally limited government. For you and others like you limits of power are anathema to you. That is why you have the heart of a tyrant.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Of course you wouldn't. You are a socialist. You cannot comprehend so simple a concept as constitutionally limited government. For you and others like you limits of power are anathema to you. That is why you have the heart of a tyrant.

    I do luv me the way the "conservative" declares his psionic ability to read my mind and to make such positive statements about my capacity, or lack thereof, to understand "so simple a concept".

    I deny that "limits ON power are anathema" to myself and others who have similar political/economic views to me. We simply appear to have a wider understanding of just which institutions have "power" in our modern economy. For myself I believe that those who would deny healthcare, education and opportunity to all citizens are the ones with the hearts of tyrants.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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