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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Basically what they did is gut the law and affirm that federal law preempts state law on immigration. A big win for Obama.
    And another big loss for the legal citizens of the United States.

    Why should we pay federal taxes?

    So given that we have an out of control president who regularly violates the Constitution, a Legislature that says we are beyond the constitution and half of a Supreme Court that as often as not voids portions of the Constitution what choice are we being drive to other that to decide this through the force of arms?
    We have gone to war over this in the past. I believe we are being driven toward a revolt unless we elect to live under a loss of freedom in an expanding tyranny. I am sorry to see this. Revolutions are rending, deadly affairs, that are vicious, destructive, and horrible.

    But what other course of action remains open?

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They were right to do this. Federal law should overrule a state law so long as the Federal law doesn't trample on state's rights according to the Constitution.

    They need to do the same thing to the states that are trying to legalize marijuana.
    Then maybe we need to try the one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama for dereliction of duty. He is not allowed to decide which laws he will execute and which he will not.

    And for Arizona rewrite your law to punish businesses who hire illegals. Make it illegal to rent to illegals. Put teeth in it. One the first instance shut down the business for a week. On the second revoke the businesses right to do business in the state for 30 days. One the third make it one year.

    Then check for compliance.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If you truly care about your fellow Americans, you do more than just ask the price.



    See, here's the real irony of our debate. I always buy American made products if I can, even though they cost more. I don't care if it's immigrants or American citizens doing the work, but I do care if my money goes toward helping the US economy or if it goes to help the Chinese economy.

    The consumer is ultimately responsible because they are shortsighted and unwilling to sacrifice for the greater good. If they did this, many of our problems would not exist.
    I USED to do that too, to try to help the U.S. workers. BUT, back to my 7 1/4" circular saw example: the Rigid brand ($100, made in China, but serviced in SC) is actually quite a bit better than than the Dewalt brand ($169, made in USA), as the Rigid has a longer cord, better blade fastener, bigger storage case and has NOTHING is welded to the base plate (each part is EASILY replacable). The Dewalt saw costs more MAINLY because they chose to ADVERTISE a lot more and sponsor a NSACAR team, instead of making a better tool.

    The U.S. is losing in the global competition game, IMHO, not because their workers are bad or overpaid, but becuase their management is out of touch with what the CONSUMER wants, foolishly thinking that MADE IN USA and a bunch of "brand recognition" adds will make up for lack of product improvement, while the foreign company THINKS differently and uses customer feedback and market research to build what is NEEDED. Once the two saws are placed side by side on a retail shelf, I don't CARE if I recognize the brand, I want the best saw (no Harry Homeowner junk, with safety buttons, or "wing nut" depth/angle of cut adjustments) for the least money, so I check them out carefully (its a major purchase, to me, as I expect it to last 10 years or so, and will use/abuse it a lot).

    I have dropped far too many circular saws to NOT know that the depth of cut setting bar is what bends/breaks first, if it is welded to the base plate then it is EXPENSIVE (or impossible) to get fixed (actually Milwaukee tools has a super thick, hard to bend/break part on theirs, but it costs even more than the Dewalt); however if I can order a replacement depth bar for $30 then I can "anticipate" the situation and thus be prepared, so Rigid wins for me. ;-)
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I'll have to review this when I get a chance, but I thought most of the AZ law was AZ doing the feds job because the feds wouldn't do it... If that is the case, perhaps it's time to send a case up the courts against the feds for negligence.
    Unfortunately it will end up before this same Supreme Court.

    How did we get to this point where a handful of people can take away our liberty?

    This has got to stop. This has got to be reversed.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yes. We are on the border of the US. We have exposure to the Gulf of Mexico.

    Your story is largely wrong. The law may get some tweaking if necessary but it is working well and we like it.
    Last edited by Misterveritis; 06-27-12 at 04:11 PM. Reason: I added an additional sentence.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    or could it be a political move by an opposition party in its efforts to make the President look bad?
    The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama looks bad without assistance from others.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I USED to do that too, to try to help the U.S. workers. BUT, back to my 7 1/4" circular saw example: the Rigid brand ($100, made in China, but serviced in SC) is actually quite a bit better than than the Dewalt brand ($169, made in USA), as the Rigid has a longer cord, better blade fastener, bigger storage case and has NOTHING is welded to the base plate (each part is EASILY replacable). The Dewalt saw costs more MAINLY because they chose to ADVERTISE a lot more and sponsor a NSACAR team, instead of making a better tool.

    The U.S. is losing in the global competition game, IMHO, not because their workers are bad or overpaid, but becuase their management is out of touch with what the CONSUMER wants, foolishly thinking that MADE IN USA and a bunch of "brand recognition" adds will make up for lack of product improvement, while the foreign company THINKS differently and uses customer feedback and market research to build what is NEEDED. Once the two saws are placed side by side on a retail shelf, I don't CARE if I recognize the brand, I want the best saw (no Harry Homeowner junk, with safety buttons, or "wing nut" depth/angle of cut adjustments) for the least money, so I check them out carefully (its a major purchase, to me, as I expect it to last 10 years or so).

    I have dropped far too many circular saws to NOT know that the depth of cut setting bar is what bends/breaks first, if it is welded to the base plate then it is EXPENSIVE (or impossible) to get fixed (actually Milwaukee tools has a super thick, hard to bend/break part on theirs, but it costs even more than the Dewalt); however if I can order a replacement depth bar for $30 then I can "anticipate" the situation and thus be prepared, so Rigid wins for me. ;-)
    Fair enough on Rigid being better than Dewalt for a circular saw. I can't argue on that. ****, if you asked me straight up which one of those two I preferred based on the design alone, I'd have said rigid hands down for the reasons you mentioned. I have to admit that I assumed the US-made brand you were talking about was Skil (and that they were cheaper in Texas), but I just looked it up and apparently Skil stopped making saws in the US in 2007 (right when I stopped having to buy new tools each year).

    You do make some good points about the management, too.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I USED to do that too, to try to help the U.S. workers. BUT, back to my 7 1/4" circular saw example:
    Out of curiosity, do you use Estwing hammers? I always loved that brand and they are still made in the US.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yeah, I'll agree that HotAir is a "Heavily biased site", a bit more balanced report may be found here
    According to the Department of Homeland Security, DHS officials in Arizona have been directed not to respond to the scene of a state or local traffic stop or a similar law enforcement encounter upon the requests from state and local police officers for assistance in enforcing immigration laws unless the individual meets DHS enforcement priorities...

    This sure sounds like abandonment to me. "We ain't coming unless it suits our dictator." The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama, says do not deport illegals because he needs the illegal votes. So they won't be deported.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Easy solution... massive fines on business and revoking of business permits for 2nd time offenders of having illegals. If no one is hiring, no one will come illegally.
    The focus of the Alabama law is on the employers who illegally hire the illegal aliens. I have seen estimates that as many as 80,000 illegal aliens moved on to Georgia, Tennessee, and Mississippi. We have way fewer illegals today than we did one year ago. And unemployment in the county with the greatest reduction in illegals dropped for American citizens. Win-win.

    So other states need to review Alabama's law and tailor it to their specific situation. When all 50 states have such laws it won't matter much that the Dictatorship on the Potomac will not fulfill its Constitutional obligations.

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