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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's actually about what it is like here. I still do some side jobs now and again, but I don't make nearly as much as I did 5 or 6 years ago. Basically, I do them for about $10 an hour profit. As a side income, it's fine, but I wouldn't be able to live off of it.

    The last year I had my company going, I was underbid on a job by so much that I couldn't have profited on it even if I had only paid my guys $7 an hour (I actually sat down and calculated how much I would have had to pay to match the price just to break even). My theory is that the guy had to be stealing some of his materials and paying jack**** to pull a profit.

    That last year, I even took a few jobs where I was just breaking even in order to keep my guys working (part of the reason I made the least amount of money that year).

    So I probably understand the frustration you feel better than most. I don't think that illegal immigration is the cause of this, though. I also don't believe cheap foreign labor is the cause of outsourcing, though.

    Ultimately, I blame the consumer.
    Blame the consumer? Are you kidding me? If I, as a consumer, want a very modest deck built, I put out bids; I get 3 independent bids as follows $1,200, $1,500 and $3,000, I then check what Lowe's and Home Depot would charge, they both say about $2,000 - OK which bid do I, the consumer, pick?

    The same is true of "outsourcing", I can buy a Chinese made tool, say a circular saw, for $100 or I can buy a U.S. made EQUIVALENT for $169; which saw do I, as the consumer, buy?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    you shure talk a big game about the LAZY americans at least they aren't law breaking scumbags.
    OMG! You called illegal immigrants law breaking scumbags!!!111!!! I'm so offended!!!111!!!
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    [QUOTE=Tucker Case;1060630768]No, I mean they priced themselves out of the market. I ran a construction company (and I only hired legal workers, by the way). Natural-born American citizens think they are too good to work for the wages immigrants will work for. On top of that, they weren't as good of employees.


    If we Americans would stand up to our conceited self-appointed Masters, we would fire them by saying that they wage-cut their way out of the market and out of their property, which we created the value of. Some people think they are too good for the low profits they'd make if anyone but themselves evaluated their contribution to the American economy.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Blame the consumer? Are you kidding me? If I, as a consumer, want a very modest deck built, I put out bids; I get 3 independent bids as follows $1,200, $1,500 and $3,000, I then check what Lowe's and Home Depot would charge they both say about $2,000 - OK which bid do I, the consumer, pick?
    If you truly care about your fellow Americans, you do more than just ask the price.

    The same is true of "outsourcing", I can buy a Chinese made tool, say a circualr saw, for $100 or I can bu a U.S. made EQUIVALENT for $169; which saw do I, as the consumer, buy?
    See, here's the real irony of our debate. I always buy American made products if I can, even though they cost more. I don't care if it's immigrants or American citizens doing the work, but I do care if my money goes toward helping the US economy or if it goes to help the Chinese economy.

    The consumer is ultimately responsible because they are shortsighted and unwilling to sacrifice for the greater good. If they did this, many of our problems would not exist.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't know what that is based on, but I am 100% certain that it is not the reality of what the market value of pay a residential carpenter could expect here in Chicago. Absolutely, positively certain. It looks more like the amount that each employee cost the employer to employ.

    ****, union carpenters do not make 41 an hour here. I'm not sure what you have found, but it's not a realistic picture of what people get paid to do carpentry.
    Sure....yeah....you are the expert (socialist!!) and these documents are LYING!!!!!

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    If we Americans would stand up to our conceited self-appointed Masters, we would fire them by saying that they wage-cut their way out of the market and out of their property, which we created the value of. Some people think they are too good for the low profits they'd make if anyone but themselves evaluated their contribution to the American economy.
    This would only relate to me if I ever made obscene profits, which I didn't. In fact, my profits were really quite meager, considering the fact that I also strapped on a tool belt each day. Just barely enough to justify having the business rather than simply working for someone else most years.

    But again, I paid well, despite gimmesometruth's imaginary claims.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I said I couldn't. Past tense. When the construction industry died (along with familial issues), I closed down the company. In 2005, you couldn't find an American construction worker willing to work for $25 an hour. Today you can, because there are no jobs and people have become more humble. The problem is that equally skilled immigrants will do the same work for $10.



    It's not my fault you ignored my use of the past tense.
    If you love foreigners so much, you should be deported. And if these people were such great workers, their own economies would be booming and they wouldn't be coming here.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Sure....yeah....you are the expert (socialist!!) and these documents are LYING!!!!!
    No, the documents aren't lying, you just don't know what the **** they are saying.

    Using the bureau of labor and statistics information:

    Carpenters

    If you scroll down, you will see that the mean hourly wage for Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL Metropolitan Division is $25.37

    Mean, meaning the average.

    The fact that I have experience was enough for me to know that you didn't have a ****ing clue about what you are saying. The above is simply verification from an outside source that you are, indeed, clueless.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I have no idea, but the police are free to do it as often as they want, for merely being suspect, not actually doing some suspicious. The stop is based on how they look.
    You keep saying this. I do not believe it is true. Would you point out in the law where it says the police are free to do as they want? It should be easy for you to do as you are so completely invested in the idea. Thank you in advance.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    If you love foreigners so much, you should be deported.
    Oh, then allow me to really piss you off by letting you know that my father was an illegal immigrant in the 70's. He's a citizen now, but I'm practically an anchor baby!


    And if these people were such great workers, their own economies would be booming and they wouldn't be coming here.
    The one's who leave, leave in order to find opportunities to work. If Americans spent more time looking for work, rather than looking for jobs, we'd be in a better place.
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