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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I said I couldn't. Past tense. When the construction industry died (along with familial issues), I closed down the company. In 2005, you couldn't find an American construction worker willing to work for $25 an hour. Today you can, because there are no jobs and people have become more humble. The problem is that equally skilled immigrants will do the same work for $10.



    It's not my fault you ignored my use of the past tense.
    Of course you couldn't find skilled US workers at below market level rates in CHICAGO....during the CONSTRUCTION BOOM.....when employment levels were HIGH.

    This is a totally false argument, they weren't "lazy", they were able to secure employment at rates higher than you willing to pay.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK, I was WRONG about AZ, assuming (wrongly) that it was much like TX see link: Carpenters
    Like I said above, that's not an immigration problem so much as it's a market problem. I got the hell out of construction altogether because there were no jobs. It's not going to get back to pre-boom and boom levels anytime soon. Too many out-of-work employees, too few jobs. If your cost of living is too high to survive at that income, you really need to think of a new career. It sucks, but it's what has to be done.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I guess I'll call up all of my former employees and tell them they aren;'t allowed to own their homes because some guy on the internet who didn't know **** said they had to live 10 to a room.
    They sure as hell can't afford a house in Chicago @ less than $50K for that household during the boom.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Of course you couldn't find skilled US workers at below market level rates in CHICAGO....during the CONSTRUCTION BOOM.....when employment levels were HIGH.
    Again, you keep saying "below market value" when that is just some idiocy you invented.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    They sure as hell can't afford a house in Chicago @ less than $50K for that household during the boom.
    And how many of my employees made less than 50K?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Again, you keep saying "below market value" when that is just some idiocy you invented.
    A carpenter in Chicago CURRENTLY has a market value of $28.50 per. Are you arguing that during the boom the cost was LOWER?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And how many of my employees made less than 50K?
    Quite a few if as you claim you paid them $10-$15. Duh.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    A carpenter in Chicago CURRENTLY has a market value of $28.50 per. Are you arguing that during the boom the cost was LOWER?
    that's union scale, not market value. I want skilled labor.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Quite a few if as you claim you paid them $10-$15. Duh.
    I only paid that to unskilled laborers. At most, I'd have one of them on the job and they were usually fresh off the boat and looking to learn the trade. The other four guys made a minimum of $25 an hour.

    ****, In 2006 I was the lowest paid guy on the crew at 40K.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Again, you keep saying "below market value" when that is just some idiocy you invented.
    I believe that he is not entirely wrong. Do you think there is a glut of us "wood welders" (carpenters) in south TX? I see DAILY the situation on residential carpentry jobs. Residential new/remodel work is booming in TX yet many entire carpentry crews getting the work are speaking ONLY spanish and working CHEAP, forcing the rest of us to either sit it out or work for far less. I know you think that this is just "free market" fairness but I must, respectfully, disagree. I am now making bids at material cost x2, down from x2.5 only two years ago, just to get ANY work. Ten years ago bids of material cost x3 would get plenty of work. I just got tired of wasting my time by working up too many losing bids.
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