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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Will be interesting to see how any banding of states together to try and assert state's rights over federal this time.

    If I recall American History correctly the last time was 1861 and how did that go?

    Tanks into Arizona???
    really???
    Shirley you jest...

    Any other administration I would agree with you, but this one? I am not so sure anymore....Obama is effectively saying he will not enforce the border in AZ, nor lend any federal help in doing so. I thought he took an oath?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Another ruling not worth a damn by the Supreme Court.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Are you referring to this?
    More the 1875 ruling that made that argument. The argument doesn't have legs because sovereignty is not based on residency, but on admission into the country.

    Residency had been considered the sole purview of the states, as he noted by citing the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Any other administration I would agree with you, but this one? I am not so sure anymore....Obama is effectively saying he will not enforce the border in AZ, nor lend any federal help in doing so. I thought he took an oath?
    It appears that Obama's friends on the left are "down with" his "dreamy" selective enforcement of federal immigration laws. The theory offered behind it is that it is impossible to totally enforce the law (due to "lack of rescources"), so Obama has defined "protected classes" with his own "dreamy" slant placed on them. Would the left accept these same "exceptions" on ALL federal crime? If a bank robber, kidnapper, tax cheater, forger or drug dealer is found to be under 30, has a HS education (or is seeking one) and has no prior "major" convictions that they be let go and left on a two year probationary status to be "fair"?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It appears that Obama's friends on the left are "down with" his "dreamy" selective enforcement of federal immigration laws. The theory offered behind it is that it is impossible to totally enforce the law (due to "lack of rescources"), so Obama has defined "protected classes" with his own "dreamy" slant placed on them. Would the left accept these same "exceptions" on ALL federal crime? If a bank robber, kidnapper, or drug dealer is found to be under 30, has a HS education (or is seeking one) and has no prior "major" convictions that they be left on a two probationary status to be "fair"?
    A better analogy would be "dreamy" wingnuts insisting on a massive police deployment to put an end to jaywalking, walking on the grass, and mattress tag removal, which of course would give more room for "dreamy" bank robbers, murderers, and rapists to do their thing.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    A better analogy would be "dreamy" wingnuts insisting on a massive police deployment to put an end to jaywalking, walking on the grass, and mattress tag removal, which of course would give more room for "dreamy" bank robbers, murderers, and rapists to do their thing.
    Not a similar analogy at ALL, it is NOT that Obama will no longer enforce ANY immigration law violations (altough I suspect that is his ultimate goal), it is that only SOME that violate it will be deported, while others FOR THE SAME EXACT CRIME will be let slide if they qualify as being "dreamy" offenders. I was simply extending the SAME "class of offending persons" to ALL of the other FEDERAL laws to show how rediculous the PRINCIPLE of selective enforcement is. If YOUR job opportunities were limitted by an illegal alien (or 20) having already filled those positions, would it make YOU feel any better that they are young illegal aliens and have HS educations, just like you do?
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post

    BTW, you're not a birther are you?
    What does that have to do with anything?

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not a similar analogy at ALL, it is NOT that Obama will no longer enforce ANY immigration law violations (altough I suspect that is his ultimate goal), it is that only SOME that violate it will be deported, while others FOR THE SAME EXACT CRIME will be let slide if they qualify as being "dreamy" offenders. I was simply extending the SAME "class of offending persons" to ALL of the other FEDERAL laws to show how rediculous the PRINCIPLE of selective enforcement is. If YOUR job opportunities were limitted by an illegal alien (or 20) having already filled those positions, would it make YOU feel any better that they are young illegal aliens and have HS educations, just like you do?
    His policy is to concentrate the limited resources available to deport criminals.

    If MY job was threatened by unskilled laborers who could barely speak the language I would rethink my career choice.
    Last edited by AdamT; 06-27-12 at 09:14 AM.
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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    One thing you libs need to keep in mind, if obama has a right not to enforce federal laws he doesn't like does some future extreme right wing president have the same right? For instance what if he just decided the feds won't enforce laws against drilling oil in national parks and wilderness areas, you guys OK with that. This move by obama sets a very dangerous precedent.

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    Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    His policy is to concentrate the limited resources available to deport criminals.
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    Then why not utilize State resources in States that want to help? Instead Obama basically says we don't want any help, even though we don't have the resources. Another fine example of leadership and problem solving.

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